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17 Things Kermit has done that are worse than living in a mansion.

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by MrBloogarFoobly, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

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  2. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

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  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    First of all, I don't see what's so wrong with Kermit living in a mansion (and the junior novel provides a reasonable reason I won't mention here). And second of all.... Most of the things on that list I don't find bad at all (and certainly not worse than living in a mansion).

    The only things on that list I really agree with are: The parts about him being jealous of celebrity guests, arguing with a moose who sounds like John Wayne (actually to make it valid it should have mentioned he hated the moose for having the pun name Mickey Moose), and maybe the part about him making Fozzie do all the stagehand work over a simple misunderstanding (actually him threatening to fire him if anything wrong happens would be more like it... It's clear Fozzie didn't start the fire in the theater).

    Kermit had valid reasons for firing Wayne and Wanda, he had a valid reason for firign Miss Piggy, Mark Hamil wasn't a host but I'm sure any host would cancel someone for being a bad singer, Kermit had reasons for canceling Fozzie's acts (one of which was because Fozzie was trapped in a trunk), I don't know what's wrogn with visiting the planet koozebane or being a reporter. And Kermit didn't drive the studebaker halfway across the country (it was Fozzie who did so).
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  4. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    I was going to post this too! I just saw it. I love it.

    When I heard about the Fart Shoes Incident, the first thing I thought was, well, wasn't there that line in "Muppets Take Manhattan," where Rowlf says "Why does everybody always blame dogs?" Surely, an actual fart joke is worse than a whoopie cushion joke?

    And Minormuppetz, in my opinion, none of the stuff on that list - nor Kermit living in a mansion - is problematic at all. In fact, I love the fact that the Muppets are flawed enough as characters to experience a human emotion as petty as jealousy. I've felt jealous before. It's an unfortunate human trait.
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  5. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    I can't remember where I heard it or who said it, but they said that the basic building block of the Muppets as characters is a magnified flaw.
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  6. Frogster

    Frogster Well-Known Member

    This is mostly a pointless article... what's wrong with him riding in a Studebaker? Becoming a star on Broadway? Being Smollett in a film role? There's nothing wrong with him living in a rundown mansion where he's most likely having trouble keeping up on the maintenance, as evidence to the tool box he's holding in the trailer. The magic starts to die when we start dictating minor and mundane details. Let me know when Kermit starts doing illegal activity, THEN articles like this will have a reason for existing.
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  7. ryan19

    ryan19 Well-Known Member

    i remember i had this magic pen coloring book with kermit introducing the mansion where all them muppets stayed so im guessing kermit's residing in a mansion is due to the fact that he wanted everyone to live together ... but somehow they moved out perhaps . ( just my 2cents tho )
  8. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    I love the IDEA of this article. I just wish the author either (a) used better examples and/or (b) provided explanations as to why the examples he chose were "worse".

    Unfortunately, without that, the author fails to make his point and what should have been an excellent article just leaves the reader thinking he doesn't know what he's talking about and in doing, doesn't succeed in disputing the point he's trying to deflate...which in itself could have easily been dismissed by bringing up the point that the film provides ample satisfactory reason for Kermit's existence there.
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  9. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I read that article too. It's always great to read something sensible in the midst of over-the-top ignorance.

    As for that Moviefone article, I didn't really read it for the same reasons mentioned by previous posts. I also hesitated to watch the Zamm movie review video of the new film for fear that it would mindlessly hop on the brainless bandwagon of slamming the film before its release, giving in to the mob mentality.

    IMO, they should instead focus on giving the Muppets their "Likes" on Facebook. That's something that would be WAAAAAAAY more productive. :D
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  10. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    I don't think all of the examples are supposed to be worse on a moral scale, but simply worse in terms of creating "a false history that the characters were forced to act out for the sake of this movie" (from the article). So there's nothing wrong with being a Broadway star, or visiting Koozebane, or being Fozzie's twin brother, but as far as false histories go, they're pretty far out there. (What's less believable, Kermit in a mansion, or Kermit and Fozzie sharing a father who's a green bear with frog eyes and a collar?) I think the point is that there's no sense complaining about a false history for this movie when nearly everything the Muppets have done has had some degree of false history or out-there fiction.

    Not directly related to that, but at least they almost gave Oz credit for saying that he didn't want to make a big deal of it. I really think he was trying to be diplomatic, but now he's made to look like the bad guy.
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  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Perfectly agreed. The Henson biographical film that had as much truth as a poorly maintained wikipedia article (which was the source, actually) had some very dark moments and complete inconsistencies that are out of character (Piggy with Link? Piggy would violently swing at Link if he even suggested it under his breath).

    I'd like to add Kermit's "porn is fine" comment over basically ANYTHING nyone can complain about in this movie. Maybe even over the Gonzo Nipple bit in Oz... at least stooping to fart jokes is something Fozzie would do. Kermit looking at Playpig magazine? That's a likely Robot Chicken skit.

    I really think the point of this movie is lost when people don't have a sense of suspending disbelief. It's clearly about Kermit getting spoiled and happy by the success he had while others took their careers in a different direction. Kermit living in a mansion is pretty much in continuity with the first movie where he dreams of leaving the swamp to be successful. I don't see how that's out of character at all, especially if the movie's about how he feels he lost himself and lost touch with those who helped him and were helped by him to become movie stars in the first film. I hate when people niggle over details like that.

    Now that I think about it, I was thinking of an ideal Looney Tunes movie idea a few years back, and the whole point of the film was Bugs being the only one who managed his money wisely and still gets large residual checks, the other toons moved on and were kinda happy not being in the spotlight, and Daffy Duck's in a run down apartment delusional thinking he's still their biggest star like an out of shape athlete that only played with a team for a year and still thinking he was a champion.
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  12. Frogster

    Frogster Well-Known Member

    When did Kermit ever say, "Porn is fine"? lol
  13. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    While I agree with the previous posts, I do think that the Muppets are above resorting to pornography.

    If they do THAT, then THAT would be the time to throw temper tantrums and hissy fits. The Muppets are not for porn.

    The subtle bits of "toilet humor" that the Muppets have done in their productions over the years (the fart shoes, the Muppet Meeting Film "Let's Have the Dam Break", all the bits mentioned in that wonderfully-written Muppet Mindset article, etc.), while they do have a slight tendency to cause SOME slight discomfort, are at least done right and in ways that are clever and don't go too far.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We forgot now?

    Remember back when VMX was made there was an interview with Kermit somewhere (I forget exactly where... I'm a big picture, not details rememberer) and they asked him about why Snoop Dogg was cut from the movie, and the discussion took Kermit to nervously say "porn is fine" about it?
  15. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    It was on Craig Kilborn's Late Late Show. Tough Pigs has a transcript.
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  16. Frogster

    Frogster Well-Known Member

    I think even that was taken out of context. It really sounds like he's just dismissing Snoop's choices for the sake of the interview more than actually saying porn is perfectly acceptable. He was cut from VMMXM, after all.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm taking that as a gaffe. Steve probably wasn't prepared for that question, kidding around late night... Porn is fine is fine.

    The biggest offense is mild. Kermit's what you make of him... as long as he doesn't do anything really nasty, I don't mind.
  18. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Whitmire is usually quick on his flippers... I mean feet. *dun dun TSSH!* It sounds to me like he was just defending Snoop Dog, not condoning pornography.

    Nothing wrong with that, I don't think. I don't know if you remember this interview with Jim Henson as Kermit


    "You don't ask a frog questions like that! Do you ask Captain Kangroo how's his sex life?"

    Henson touches on sexuality here as well. Late Night Television allows the Muppets to be a little raunchier. And Kevin Clash as Clifford, during Mr. Henson's last interview, was pretty NAWTY.
  19. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The difference is the Rowlf joke humorously implies something. The joke in this new movie just throws a cheap laugh at you.

    "I hate a dirty joke I do, unless it's told by someone who knows how to tell it." --Groucho Marx

    In the case of this new movie, someone did not know how to tell it. ;)

    No I'm not saying the whole movie will automatically be bad, just critiquing a line. :)
  20. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I still think you're completely wrong, Heralde.

    I really think you should consider withholding your opinions on this one until you actually see the movie. By then, the joke will be in proper context. :wisdom:

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