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An Editorial: The State of the Muppets

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Jul 23, 2002.

  1. Luke Active Member

    and indeed she is, by thousands of gay men ! I'd like to see you explain that one in an article ! :D

    I agree with what you said, being a puppet, i don't particularly see why Henson are soooooooo obsessed with slimming her down, but i don't think they want to make her really skinny, just a little less chubbier than usual.

    I don't particulary think they've used her weight to make jokes OR a point - it's just the way she always has been from the start. It might have had something to do with the stuffing they used at the time or something. :)
  2. murgatoad New Member

    Well, my memory might be faulty, but I think her weight was certainly used for humor on "The Muppet Show" - because fat jokes are rather easy to write, perhaps. But again, those jokes were not why she became so popular. I think that in that day, people were fascinated by the fact that Piggy went against the norm - she was so cleverly designed at that time that the "beautiful pig" idea worked, and as people generally love incongruity, she became a fad. I see no reason that, if she can again be cleverly designed (a higher forehead would help, and giving her a neck again wouldn't be a bad idea either - plus please for the sake of He on High, DON'T LET HER BE SEEN IN PUBLIC AGAIN WITHOUT HER EARS!!!), that the idea can't again be revived.

    As for Piggy sticking up for herself and insisting she be accepted for who she is etc....er, I think you might get better satisfaction in that regard from, say, Camryn Mannheim? ;) JMHO.
  3. towels New Member

    Isn't ordering three breakfasts a joke that could tie into her weight? I mean, that's nothing compared to what she consumed during the Kermie and Piggy story (playhouse video) but still...throughout her career, her food consumption has been an ongoing "bit". Remember the Lays commercial when it seems like there was nothing else in Muppetia?
    I also wonder if her popularity originially was driven more by her assertiveness, rather than her appearance.
  4. Luke Active Member

    Pigs are always a bit err 'chubby' anyway though !
  5. murgatoad New Member

    Yes, but they generally don't have long blond hair and human legs, true?
  6. Luke Active Member

    Um i dunno. You should've seen some of my previous girlfriends ! :D

    Seriously, no they don't that i'm aware of but give genetic crop mutations a few years and you never know !
  7. murgatoad New Member

    And in those commercials, Kermit says "We may have to get a bigger booth." Fat joke. Proof again that they're easy to write. ;) BUT it was a subtle one, and referred to her appetite, as you say, rather than to her size at the moment. Personally, I have no prob with jokes about Piggy's appetite, and I have no prob with pork jokes, particularly if in the latter case she's allowed to retaliate. That's a reaction that is part of her trademark and is comfortable and familiar to viewers. BUT on the other hand (no pun intended), if all Eric is going to do with the character is trot out the same old schtick, who needs it? We've seen that already. I'd like to see what he can contribute to her. Once in a while, I'd like to see her speak straight from the shoulder on a topic without the affectation and simpering, which has also gotten old. You can bet people would pay attention if she did. But I think even more important than that is Piggy's design. She has to be fun to look at again. Most of the Muppets' appeal is visual anyway. Sure her assertiveness (until it was taken to extremes by Frank "she's-a-seething-mass-of-conflicts") :rolleyes: Oz) was part of her appeal, but the beautiful pig idea is paramount. IMO. :D
  8. Mutton New Member

    I enjoyed the editorial.

    Being new, please excuse me if I bring up something that has already been discussed.

    To me the orginal show should be shown on a "hip" cable network to remind people what they originally saw in these great characters, and to really introduce younger people, who might have only heard stories, of how great the show was and is. As an example, E! Entertainment has been showing the initial few years of Saturday Night Live with the original cast in the evenings for a few months now. This was great for a person my age who was not alive for the first few years of Saturday Night Live and did not grow up with cable to catch re-runs. Networks that could work with The Muppet Show are Comedy Central, MTV, VH1, E!, and even Cartoon Network with their Adult Swim animation blocks from the great "Space Ghost: Coast to Coast" people.

    Thanks for the great site.

    Also, if anyone knows where I can get a copy of Jim Henson's Cube I would really appreciate it. I have only learned of it recently and am now upset at the "popular" Cube movie for not at least giving a credit to Jim. Even if they knew nothing of his version originally they must have learned of it when registering the title and screenplay.

    Henson spoke about it in a Dark Crystal interview:
    http://users.bestweb.net/~foosie/henson.htm

    Jim Henson's Cube: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0291118

    Vincenzo Natali's Cube: http://us.imdb.com/Details?0123755
  9. Muppets1985 Member

    Hummmmm...

    Now after reading that story about 3 times it has made me wonder...Yeah like Care Bears they come and go and sometimes i see a t-shirt or somthing of them but, there NOT big n e more & the Muppets, we NEED MORE Muppet stuff like movies and DTV's and cartoon's and old shows back on Tv and and well i could go on 4 ever witch brings me to Disney....

    Disney IS NOT a bad company i mean EVERY company has it problems (Vicom, WB etc..) there NO anglies them selfs thay all so have DTV's too like a WB, look they have all them Dtv's of Scooby Doo, and Universal with there 10,000's Land before Time movies!. And i know what your going to say "Disney is cheap now a days and, they make Mupppets in to little kid stuff and get rid of Steve or Erica or who ever, and we'll see MTI 2 or 3 or 4 and bla bla bla..." But do we ALL REALLY know this is a fact, and YES i did noteis that Disney did trun the Muppet DTV's (sing a longs etc..) but that was back in the 90's this is NOW, 2002!! and Jim wanted the Muppets to be Disney and be part of the Disney family, that was Jim's dream, i mean shouldn't we want what Jim wanted back them?!. I for one is behind Disney to finlly get the Muppets 100% (but ya'll have know me for 1 year know so i think u know lol)


    And know brings me to the Winnie the Pooh thing: I mean look at him you can't get away from the guy (bear) he's EVERY were from toys, close, UNDERWARE (LOL), video's DVD's, DTV's tv shows specials etc ect... and see the Muppet could have ALL that they'd be right up there with Mickey and Pooh and the "Disney Princess" line of thing, look they have cereal, and juice box's and snakes i mean would u like to wake up in there morning and have Muppet cereal of "Muppet munchies" (Disney has cereal of Mickey's magix, and Pooh's Hunny B's and Pixar cereal od Buzz Lighyear and little school lunch thing for kids and adults!) wand wouldn't u like to havs Muppet juice box to drink at work or school? i would.


    ..... well i better stop before i blow a tpo LOL.:) ;)
  10. Muppets1985 Member

    Oops sorry about the spelling people but im in a hurry to do sothing, bye.....*Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom!!!!*
  11. Luke Active Member

    Ok i kinda deciphered the post (just) but what the heck is DTV's ????????
  12. beaker Well-Known Member

    cube:

    >>>Also, if anyone knows where I can get a copy of Jim Henson's Cube I would really appreciate it. I have only learned of it recently and am now upset at the "popular" Cube movie for not at least giving a credit to Jim<<<

    Hmmm, I seem to recall something about this in The Works book, and a bit about some sort of trippy nite club idea. I remember seeing a cheapie sci fi film called 'cube' back in 1998(tho I thought pi, another film from around the same time was much better)
    what cube film are you referring to?

    beaker.:.:
    faith in chaos
  13. Muppets1985 Member


    LOL hay Luke, DTV means Derect to Video/dvd
  14. Luke Active Member

    Oh right - ok *slaps self* - I get it now !
  15. Jeffrey Gray Member

    Re: Hummmmm...

    I don't want the Muppets to have incredible amounts of merchandise. It's selling out. I'd rather the Muppets have a medium amount of quality merchandise, as it has been since the Muppet Show days...I'd rather have quality merchandise like the Palisades action figures than numerous Muppet clothing articles and food items and other stuff. And besides, most of the Disney merchandise is geared at kids anyway.
  16. Luke Active Member

    This whole year has been an unusual one for merchandising - they have little money now so the anniversary year was a licensing opportunity they couldn't miss. I would imagine it will get back to normal soon.
  17. beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>I don't want the Muppets to have incredible amounts of merchandise. It's selling out. I'd rather the Muppets have a medium amount of quality merchandise, as it has been since the Muppet Show days...I'd rather have quality merchandise like the Palisades action figures than numerous Muppet clothing articles and food items and other stuff. And besides, most of the Disney merchandise is geared at kids anyway<<<

    I'd have to disagree, its been over a decade since we last had any semblence of Muppet stuff...so finally, at long last the Muppet drought is over...bring on the Muppet merchandise tidal wave I say!
  18. muppetchick New Member

    I know I don't post much, but in my opinion, I personally would love more muppet merchandise. I have some old tee-shirts I bought around the time MTI came out. They are now wearing out and I would love to buy some replacements. Now, I'm not for muppets on everything like Scooby-doo, but perhaps just making the products they already have more available. I've seen some products such as notebooks and keychains, but they're so hard to find. I just wish muppet products would get promoted better.
  19. Foreignman New Member

    Hey Mutton, I don't know where you can get a copy of "The Cube", but I do know where you can see it. Museum of Television and Radio in NY and LA both have "The Cube" for your viewing pleasure. I'm sure there's a way they could make a copy for you, and if nothing more you can watch it in the museum.
  20. beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>I know I don't post much, but in my opinion, I personally would love more muppet merchandise. I have some old tee-shirts I bought around the time MTI came out. They are now wearing out and I would love to buy some replacements. Now, I'm not for muppets on everything like Scooby-doo, but perhaps just making the products they already have more available. I've seen some products such as notebooks and keychains, but they're so hard to find. I just wish muppet products would get promoted better<<<

    yeah, unfortunately unless one of us sees muppet stuf fin the mall or wherever and posts, many of us are int he dark due to no promotion. for shirts, hot topic currently has a bunch of cool muppet shirts. i got my beaker, electric mayhem, and animal shirts. theres also some smaller 'girl cut' sized ones.

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