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Arthur - Where is the Show Going?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That sounds quite refreshing. There was a period earlier in this decade where EVERY kid's show on PBS had to have a wheel chair kid. The character wasn't a character with a disability, but JUST the disability who smiles, nods, waves, and agrees with what someone else says. Basically a character who's just there and nothing else to say "Hey! It's not bad being different." but saying, "we're TOO afraid of doing anything with the character since any actual personality trait will come off as some sort of negative factor that will get angry letters." I've been saying this for years, but when it comes to anyone who isn't an able bodied white male, there's so little room for character flaws out of fears they'd be misconstrued as stereotypes. And it annoys me, because you can't tell a story with Marty and Mary Sues that's interesting. Plus, it really has a note of "we don't really care to add diversity, but we're doing it because we have to." and that's even worse than completely ignoring them.

    But this won't air here until Monday, and I wanna see if I can get the angle on it.
  2. Nick22 Active Member

    i didn't know arthur was still on! i thought it was over with. wow where have i been. i LOVED that show when i was little. it kinda scared me a little, but i liked it. hahaha.

    i haven't seen any recent epsidoes, so i dunno.
  3. Gelfling Girl Active Member

    Yeah, I recently watched an older episode while channel flipping a while ago, but other than that, it's been a while since I've seen it.
  4. The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    I've seen 16/20 episodes now, and I can say that this season contains a lot more "real life" live action footage than all the others. The season overall has a very strong multicultural feel and a great grasp on issues that are definately present within society but not obviously out there; and adresses these well. A few "celebrity" cameos are present also :p
  5. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    After seeing 2 of these, I have to say one thing first of all.

    The juxtaposition of an episode where girls are borderline useless secondary characters in movies and an episode where DW watches a show about how weddings and gets obsessed is just too brilliant to pass up mentioning. I don't know if they were intentionally trying to say little girls need the princessy unicorny world of "girly" stuff when they're younger, but once they're older, they learn to reject that and think outside of that paradigm... well... all except for Muffy that is. But anyway, that's almost how it came off as, and I think that needed to be addressed. Somehow, I do think the one where they made their own cartoon needed a better pay off though.

    As for Lydia.. well, I see they really made her tough in spite of her situation. And while there are a few characters like that, it's a very rare bread of "we don't want to offend anyone so here's a bland character for you to not relate to." And the fact that they made her an equal, if not superior to Brain and gave them a sort of 8 year old crush (not quite love, but something that would clearly grow overtime... I can read the fanfics now) really gave it an edge. Much better than the "wheelchair" characters from Clifford, Dragon Tales (which made no sense to me... Magic dragons can't heal themselves?), and all the other court ordered bus ins from PBS kid's shows in the past. People can actually relate to that.

    But I will say, the best episode out of the two so far was the one DW was trying to get married, even though she has the loosest idea of what weddings are, even though she been to one before (they even referenced it). Like how she thought of the groom LAST! I tell ya, I agree with Arthur's logic in this episode... imitating kid's shows is one thing... but adult shows are far more damaging. Especially to adults. :insatiable:
  6. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    is there anywhere I can watch these new episodes online? Unfortuantly I have class when it is on
  7. Drtooth Well-Known Member


    You Aussies have it so lucky. Not only do we have to wait until spring to see the second half of the season, but we have to wait 2 weeks before they even show the rest of the first 5.

    I'm getting mighty sick of PBS's schedules of repeats.
  8. The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    It's actually not luck, tv station staff put the online viewing ones up in a different order to the way they appear on TV; so by the end of next week I'll have seen the entire season in full.
  9. Redsonga Active Member

    It's not on where I live and hasn't been for almost seven years. I would like to watch more early episodes, most of all the more story driven ones and ones with Fern besides the Harry Potter like episode but I can't seem to find them online or off :\
  10. The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Really? The majority of episodes are up in parts on youtube; or (no-one crucify me here, I dont encourage it) on torrent websites in decent quality as torrent files, which you need a client to download.
  11. Redsonga Active Member

    They are on youtube? Oh, I didn't know that...I guess I just thought any that were there would have been taken down by now like my FR ones were. I will have to check.
    Can anyone point me to the best Fern episodes?:)
  12. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Depends... do you want closet psycho passive aggressive Fern? There's one about her getting upset at Brain (who's seriously turning into the Smurf with the similar name) for crushing her storytelling techniques and planting a hoax about giant worms taking over Elwood City...

    I forget exactly what it's called, though. Plus I rather like the one where she read too many TinTin books and got completely deluded, and got her and Francine lost on a hike. And she made Francine Captain Haddock in her fantasy too...

    Anyway, luckily the last 2 of the first wave of the ones they're showing will be on next week, holding them over for Halloween week.
  13. Redsonga Active Member

    *lol* Well who knows, maybe I am talking about psycho Fern. I've only seen a few episodes, and I have a soft spot for the bookwormish writer characters who might just as well be crazy :3
  14. Xerus Active Member

    The other day, I was watching this interesting and insightful episode of Arthur. Sue Ellen ended up meeting famous author, Neil Gaiman. And Sue Ellen got inspired to create her own graphic novel about a land of circles and triangles. When she showed it to her friends, they criticized it making her depressed. Neil appeared again and told her to keep on trying. Then her friends read the rest of her story and found it neat after all. Then it showed some live action kids who had made their own graphic novels. Some of their ideas looked very interesting.
  15. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I just saw one of the new episodes of season 14 ...eh... somewhere... and lemme say this. I HOPE it's just a one episode thing and NOT a crummy spin off... but the entire episode was D.W. trying to learn about Africa from Brain's cousin. Basically it's EXACTLY the same set up as the one where Arthur meets Adil, except for one difference.

    The entire thing is a long, not that catchy song about Africa where they sing a third of the song at a time and it's all in stock live action footage, and it just doesn't even feel like an episode of Arthur.

    I'm agreeing with the comments on that one. I don't mind them teaching different cultures, but changing the format to terrible music videos? Thankfully it seems the only one this (and unfortunately for the US next) season.

    Gah... we have to wait a year for the rest of this season too.
  16. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm telling you guys, after all these years and all these episodes, they have just SERIOUSLY run out of ideas!

    I haven't seen any of the new episodes, but I've read synopsises, and gimme a break. "Francine and Muffy make a movie to right the wrong of lack of cool female characters". Seriously? Doesn't that just sound completely forced to you?

    And you're right Drtooth, it's nice to show different cultures and such on a show, and teach acceptance and whatnot, but it seems like it's gotten to the point where they're doing something like that about twice a season (the Barneses adopting a Chinese baby girl, Mrs. MacGrady suddenly getting cancer, George meeting a kid with Asperger's Syndrome, etc). But then again, this is something that's even spilled over into primetime television as well; I believe the FCC has a law now that you HAVE to include at least one ethnic character in the cast, otherwise, the show will be seen as being non-inclusive.

    And I really need to wonder, why are they airing the seasons in half installments now? The air a week's worth of new episodes like in the spring, then the other half in the fall... it makes it seem more like we're getting more, shorter seasons.

    At this point, I highly doubt there's EVER going to be an end to Arthur... it seems like they're just going to keep on going on forever.
  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Uh... I heard a rumor, and there is by no means any evidence to back it up that it actually WILL at the end of next American season. Again, this is a rumor. Besides, next year will be its 15th season, and 15+ years is QUITE a feat for a show like that. And ending by no means means they're going to stop airing.

    I have seen a few other (cough cough) of the unseen episodes, and so far, THOSE have been quite delightful... Oddly Muffy heavy, but some of the fantasy sequences just KILLED me. Especially the Stepford Wives parody in a specific one. yeah, I know it's cheating, but we're gonna probably have to wait a year plus for the rest of the season. Australia and basically everywhere else in the world got it before us. But that's PBS's razor thin Kid's budget for you. I am sick to death of getting second hand shows that were produced FOR America anyway.

    Other than that, I don't mind them teaching kids all these very important things, like dealing with ethnicity and diseases and disabilities. That's what Arthur is all about. It's the song and dance with cheap stock footage that bugged me.
  18. Puckrox Well-Known Member

    Fifteen years. My God. I was six when Arthur started airing. I can remember watching episodes with my brother when we got home from first grade... That's so weird.
  19. The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    The thread is alive! ITS ALIVE! :crazy:
    Fortunately, the Africa episode is only a one off.
    Having seen the entire season, I think it is a mixed bag. The episode regarding Buster and artifical food ingredients is actually one of the funniest episodes ever made, IMHO. The season has some terrible, overused, dull and just not entertaining episodes; but it also has some brilliantly written ones. I do think that too much of an emphasis is placed on "Inclusion" and technology, I really don't care if Muffy has the latest gadget - that is not an excuse for 10 minutes of my life wasted. I do also find it slightly frustrating that elements such as parody and running jokes are dumbed down due to the lack of airtime for them. Instead, airtime best used otherwise is replaced with having to include a token character for everything in order to seem PC, rather than focusing on plot or humour. That's just my 2 cents though.
  20. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You gotta admit, though... when they DO have humor, they REALLY go all out. I really like the very negative way they've portrayed Capri DeVapida. Even her name. Now THAT is vicious parody that's almost uncharacteristic, but incredibly refreshing and delightfully snarky.

    "Uh... Yellow is not a flavor" That part had me rolling over.\

    But really, that Africa one... ugh... It's like another show, and quite obviously the worst one ever written, and just spent way too much time being a lousy pilot of another series. Man... if they do end the show after season "15" (you know, half of your season 14), I hope they don't try to replace it with "D.W> Learns About Countries in a Dumbed down way."

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