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  2. Sesame Street Season 48
    Sesame Street's 48th season officially began Saturday November 18 on HBO. After you see the new episodes, post here and let us know your thoughts.

Bob, Gordon, and Luis: FIRED!

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Censored, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    But Kevin Clash officially joined the show shortly after Captain Kangaroo was canceled.
     
  2. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Well-Known Member

  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Not really just in, we've been discussing this already, and it sounds like SW is going to retain the castmembers, just not on the actual show, but rather, for public appearances and promotional events and such . . . unless they really are considering reversing their previous decisions to remove them from the show.
     
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  4. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    What about the talks that where going to happen in September? That Rosco talked about?
     
  5. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Hopefully they really are going to do the right thing, but it's wise to not take it solely on face value. They're already contradicting themselves left and right. First they say HBO had nothing to do with the decision and now they're saying it was ALL HBO's decision.
     
  6. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Where have they said it was HBO's decision?

    I just want to make somethings clear here as to who is in charge:

    JEFFERY DUNN is the Workshop's current CEO. BROWN JOHNSON is the show's creative director. From what I have read, most of the changes to the show this season came from Johnson. Dunn is responsible for the partnership with HBO, I believe, as he's said he's been trying to find alternate funding avenues (no pun intended) since he got there. There's no new "executive producer" as it's been said around here.
     
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  7. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    In the link Colbynfriends shared, Bob was quoted as saying HBO got involved and let the castmembers go, save for Alan and Chris.
     
  9. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    There appears to be a disconnect between sources and thoughts in these articles.

    This passage?

    Those are two separate things, hence the comma. He's not saying the latter happened because of the former. He's saying they're both changes made within the new season. He's listing things off, not claiming HBO had any influence.

    As if I'm surprised, Fox News is misquoting and misinterpreting. In the Variety article they link to, it says:

    HBO is not referenced at all except for noting the air schedules of the episodes.
     
  10. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Seems to me that there are two versions of this. One where it's all Sesame Workshops doing, but they deny it,and they and they also deny HBO'S involvement as well. Then there is the other version that it was both Sesame and HBO are involved. I say we just blame Disney (who has nothing at all to do with this ) and call it a day......
     
  11. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I've seen no evidence that HBO had any involvement. The links I just referenced don't imply it at all.
     
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I agree with you! I think the HBO Deal was just a money making opportunity for Sesame.

    In the book Street Gang it talks a lot about the idea that in 1990 Disney was trying to gain rights to Sesame,and Jim and others where very aginst it. I think people are afraid that the HBO deal is kind of that on a smaller scale. If I understand it though it's more of a partnership where HBO help fund for Sesame,and in return the show is now run on there channel. Am I right?
     
  13. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Yup. Pretty much, the basics of the deal are: HBO funds the next five years (plus two new shows from SW) and gets exclusive streaming and broadcast rights, for the newest episodes at least.

    As such, SW has financial production security, HBO now has popular brand to attract customers with, and PBS gets the new episodes for free following the 9-month window (they previously had to pay for licensing them). So, PBS can use that money to fund other programming.

    The only thing I see HBO having a slight control over SW in is in their YouTube uploads; they only seem to be uploading new celebrity appearances, but nothing else from the new episodes. HBO's "HBO Kids" channel is doing that. It's possible that that might lighten up once the new episodes hit PBS in a month.
     
  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Now do we know for sure if the new show is going to be Sesame related, or something different? I would love for there to be another show like Play with me Sesame that focused on other characters other then Elmo.
     
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  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    IF HBO were involved in anything, we wouldn't see anything until the next season. It's obvious from watching this current season, produced before HBO was involved, these major changes were SW's and SW's alone, and would probably have happened if the show was still PBS exclusive.

    The cast was already whittled down to Alan, Chris, and Suki when this season started. Some of the changes feel like they've been in the works for some time. Especially the half hour runtime of the show, that's what the shortened afternoon version of the show was for. To test market if they can run the show at half capacity. For the record, it's a mixed bag for me. A full hour is full of so much filler, a half hour runs too fast and clumsy. The focus on a smaller group of Muppets pretty much came out of the blue, considering the last full hour season focused mostly on fairy tale characters with the main characters playing second fiddle.

    If HBO had full run of the show, the changes would be much more invasive. probably replace the entire cast with B-list celebrities or something.
     
  16. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think people are just surprised that Sesame would do that to there veteran cast members. When you think about though why pay someone who for whatever reason is doing.very little work for you? Now I don't really know how the actors are paid, but if they where getting paid and only making one or two appearances a season then that is wasting money.
     
  17. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I can't believe anyone could say that about Bob, Roscoe, and Emilio. They made the show for years and have earned a permanent place on the street for the rest of their lives!
     
  18. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    If nothing else, HBO is guilty by association.
     
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Ah yes, so naturally this also lends itself to guilt by accusation.
     
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  20. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Right. One is either with the three great veteran actors or one is against them.
     


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