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Can Sesame Street go to Congress?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by mbmfrog, Feb 27, 2011.

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  1. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    I'm asking this on behalf of this little article I read on Muppet Mindset...

    http://themuppetmindset.blogspot.com/2011/02/pbs-funding-in-danger-help-save-sesame.html

    It made me wonder if the characters and creators of the various PBS shows can go to Congress to argue their case on this. Because if this happen, there goes half of what makes Public Television so great for the kids.

    I mean it's true what they say that there are some people at Congress who could be that "grouchy" enough to do this. :grouchy:

    Anyhow what do all of you think of this situation ? :wisdom:
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

  3. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You can't make budget from nickel and diming PBS and the rest of the country. You make budget by making Mr. Oil tycoon pay their taxes.

    The first thing these guys did when they got in was to protect the overly-generous Bush Tax cuts.
  5. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    I mentioned this elsewhere, but this arguement that "it won't happen now since it hasn't happened before - nothing to worry about" doesn't wash.

    This is a textbook example of how the far right accomplishes most of its agenda. They don't expect it to actually happen the very first time. Maybe not even the second or third time. But each time they make the attempt, they get a little more closer and win over more supporters. The first time they try something, they expect the general public will see it as nutso. But after several attempts, the familiarity and the prolonged amount of time its on the table and is thus "an issue" lends it the appearance of legitimacy. The whole "the more you say it, the more it becomes 'truth'" was one of the biggest mantras of Team Bush/Rove. Plus when something fails, they can send out the fundraising letters to the base saying "we almost did it but we didn't have enough money/support to give it that extra push" and watch the donations roll in from people wanting them to succeed.

    As that happens under the radar, everyone else just yawns and says "this always happens and nothing comes of it. No threat. Not a chance of anything happening this year. What's for dinner?" and those motivated to put up a fight gets complacent.

    Aside from all that, we know the more extreme elements of the right are in greater power via the Tea Party movement and their sweep into Congress. They aren't lazy benchwarmers; they're activists. If any session of Congress stands the best chance of success we've seen before to defunding PBS/NPR, it's the current one. 2011 is NOT "business as usual".

    Nor is this a random battle. The extreme right HATES PBS/NPR and considers it high on their radar of "enemies". PBS represents education and they don't benefit from an educated populace. NPR is one of the few remaining news organizations that they don't control. They want them gone or until that happens, totally invalidated.

    If we get lulled into the "nothing to worry about" attitude, we're in for a rude awakening.
  6. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    Then what do you suppose that PBS/NPR do to save itself from the Extreme Right people ? :(
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Still don't they also need the support of the left in Congress to get something like this passed? I'm not an expert so correct me if I'm mistaken. (And not that I'm supporting either group frankly, heh).
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I used to think that this wasn't a big deal, but it really IS! Never before has public television for children and Sesame Street in particular had so many big corporate sponsors and advertising placements. That's not okay. This should be the last safe place for kids.

    There are a lot of places to cut the budget, but the Congressional Republicans tend to gun for the arts and education first. This is a direct dismissal of underprivileged youth and the dreamers. They undercut the very future and possibility of this country, but are always in favor of publicly funding God n' guns. :grouchy:
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't want to paint them as stereotypes (something the right can do but the left can't for some reason :rolleyes: ). The American People listened to corporately funded liars like Limbaugh and Glenn "Danger to Himself and others" Beck, and they became these right wing libertarian posers. This whole "We want a small government! Leave everyone alone... except gays! Regulate everything they do!" Demonstration leads to vacillation. They want what THEY want and the crap with everyone else.

    Again, when their "We're looking out for YOU!" candidates got in, first thing they did was protect the wealthy tax cuts. Now they want to cut to the BONE stuff that the poor benefits from to keep those great tax cut for people who WON'T Give them back to the people in investments OR jobs.

    But hey, anything to make people forget they're the same party that gave Bush carte blance on everything.
  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    "It ain't no mystery, if it's politics or history, the thing you gotta know is, everything is show biz." ;)

    A lot of this is purely for show on the part of the Republicans. They make a big deal of trying to pass a bill, knowing full well it will never go through (again, the Democrats in the Senate, plus a Democratic President). It's just so they can tell their supporters, "Look what we tried to do!"
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    It's my hope that this will all go "Newt" on them and destabilize the extreme conservatives until they can be booted out next election cycle. There's a reason why Gingrich The Adulterer has been reduced to a talking head on Fox News Channel. :wisdom:
  12. TSSD

    TSSD Active Member

    Sorry to be a little off topic, but am I the only one who pictures Big Bird testifying in front of Congress every time I see this?
  13. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    With the possible elimination of funding for public broadcasting, millions of children may be severely impacted as many shows could be forced off the air. Even 40 years later, quality educational programming has never been needed more.

    Fred Rogers defends PBS before the US Senate in 1969...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q&feature=player_embedded
  14. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yay Mr. Rogers; tell it to the man! :sing:
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really don't want to go the "republicans are evil" route... but so far, they haven't done anything to disprove it. Apparently, there's not enough money to create the same jobs they used as leverage to slither into the White House but there's enough money to artificially inseminate race horses that someone close to someone owns. The very same people who said money wasn't an object when a legacy drove us through a pork barrel project to overthrow the same dictator his pappy put in power because we hated the Iranians so much we sold nukes to them to fund a useless war between commie and right wing drug dealers in South America. And we were too blinded by Freedom Fries to notice, and anyone who spoke up against it was marginalized.

    However, every news report has to deal with the loudmouthed dimwits and loonies in the Tea Pity Party that oh so conveniently waited for a Dem to get into office to complain about things. And guess what, they actually had the power to get things done... of course, with a LOT of help of a certain unfair and mentally unbalanced news network.

    I find this whole pseudo libertarian movement incredibly selfish. They DON'T care if schools go under, fire departments can't protect them... they just want that teeny weenie bit of money they got off the last ill-advised and purely manipulative tax cuts. They have this "It's unPatriotic to pay taxes" Selfish babyish behavior, and all the while most of them are suckling off the same big government they want to destroy.

    Now, PBS is one thing, but if you look at all the cuts they plan, it hurts EVERYONE! We had a bunch of snake oil salesmen come in in the last 8 years, recklessly slash budgets for manipulative political purposes that LEAD us all to have massive deficits leading to painful budget cuts ALREADY all the while letting the big fat "screw America" businesses and the same career criminal CEO's get corporate welfare so they can NOT do their jobs.

    I'll say this a hundred times if I must, the first act the Teabagging party did in office was to protect big business tax cuts. They don't care about the same easily manipulated masses that got them into office. They wanted to use them for votes, and tell them it's highly patriotic if you wind up in the street when the same CEOs that stole your jobs and gave them to a foreign dictatorship get even more money for stepping on the little guy. THAT is NOT capitalism. it's a Neocon distopia.

    And they're going to pass this because they're carrying on like the most ill-behaved children in the history of mankind and bullying and manipulating everyone with a "government shut down" until they get exactly what they want. Exactly what they want. Wanna know why there's NO bipartisan ship? One side wants it, the other doesn't. Bipartisanship is now "Give the right exactly what they want." And the Cowardly president, afraid of what a bunch of people who didn't want him elected in the first place (remember 2008... remember all the crap that was flung), wants to cater to them, when they're basically scheming to get Darth Romney into the presidential seat. And trust me, Bush was bad, Romney's gonna be worse. he ruined MA. He stole from us, he spoke negatively behind our backs, and spent 90% of his governership trying to run for president. Do we want that running a 10K race let alone for political office?

    Face it, the American public was bamboozled, and now we're all going to pay for it.

    In closing... remember... bailout with taxpayer money that they have to pay back= Bad. Essentially the same thing, call it a tax cut= Good! YAY Neo-cons!
  16. zns

    zns Active Member

    I can't say that this is actually going to work. Considering how many people want PBS to continue, this is quite a long shot.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Government... shut... down. Three words of manipulation that scare everybody...

    except the selfish jerks that want it.

    It's gonna happen unless the Dems can actually go to the Wizard and gets some courage.... and a clue.
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Speakin' off topic about Salamander Slimegrinch, he's announced that he wants to run for emper...errr... president now. I can see his campaign slogan now, "My farts don't stink!"
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Bump:

    NPR's being completely and utterly vilified because some sleazebag undercover Neo-con reporter caught an exec bad mouthing the Pitty party. Now he's starting to circulate a petition to COMPLETELY end funding for PBS.

    Yeah, those guys do not at ALL want to control the media, all the while begrudging one of the weak biased sources that speak to a certain audience.

    Sorry for the irateness, but this is getting SERIOUS! This is going to happen this time unless someone does something.

    I could give a crap about NPR, but PBS?


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