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Can Sesame Street go to Congress?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by mbmfrog, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Where the heck was Admiral Ackbar in all this? That was a TRAP!

    It's the whole we can paint people with a brush, but we'll call everyone else out on it when they do it to us... basically the rules only apply to YOU and we can break them in your face crap that's trying to get them back into the emperor's chair, stripping away everyone's rights while saying "small government" so many times it has no meaning.

    This was a trap... this was egged on... this was the result of the very same "gotcha" journalism their side wants to desperately stop out.

    Where the heck are the reports of Glenn Hack's crooked conspiracy theory that a certain liberal head of a Jewish organization actually helped out Hitler's regime? How about the times he said the President was racist against whites... then racist about blacks... His head is so far up his butt he can't even keep his cockmamie paid opinions straight. Then he had a whole report about how Harry Reid is a racist that lasted well over a week. With an actual black token on his panel he didn't let say anything. And let's not forget about Bully O'Reily who said Muslims were responsible for 9/11. I'm sorry, but when someone on the left says something outrageous, biased, bigoted, stupid, and offensive, they become social pariahs, the worst people on the planet, and completely free of integrity. Someone on the right says the same thing, but with more venom and actual hate, they get a book deal, a syndicated show, and more money than Solomon's mines.

    Here's something... Avenue Q is right. Everyone's a little bit racist. We have to all accept that, feel like jerks about it, and move on.

    Also we need to see this for exactly what it is, a biased organization exposing that another organization is biased. Two words: EPIC FAIL! Even if NPR had a show called "The Let's call the Tea Party Racist Pinheads Hour," they paint the left with the very same brush they say the left paints the right with. Difference? For every 5 people that listen to NPR, everyone else in the country watches Fox News. It's a big multimillion dollar opinion machine. Why then would they begrudge a tiny syndicated radio station that gets literally a hay penny from everyone who pays taxes... especially when every other station on the dial is right wing talk radio?

    But that's not even why they're doing it. They want to sucker the American public into thinking their job killing cuts to keep up those wealthy tax cuts stay FOREVER... or at least until one of their Neo-Convicts comes into power and gives them a bigger bail out... err tax dodge...err tax cut.

    Sigh, isn't it wonderful to live in a country where one party can crush worker's rights, blame "evil" brown people for everything, steal from the poor and give to the rich, and vilify the other side for letting them do it?
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    See when I heard the statement, to me it's not that he was assuring them there was no bias. He was assuring them that there was no support for Israel, because he thought that's what these investors wanted to hear. That's the problem I had with what he said.

    Big deal though, lol, I mean he could have said anything, but that's what he chose to say?
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Again, 2 wrongs don't make a right, but he WAS baited to say that. Nervously, I might add. But then again, thinking about how that snake PURPOSELY picked such a polarizing rubber suit... makes you wonder if he was TRYING to get that response out of him. I don't like what he said their, nervously or baited either, but that was the plan.

    Speaking off the record, I find both sides of that part of the world complete pinheads. One side kills people on the other side to get revenge on the other side killing them for revenge on the other side killing them for the other side... blah blah blah. Again, 2 wrongs don't make a right. The only people who make any sense are the young kids who don't CARE about those battles (which are clearly used to manipulate the citizens that vote for their own pinhead politicians so they don't have to sully themselves in battle), and make friends with the same "enemies" their politicians and brainwashed parents tell them to obliterate, or side with the mindless kill bots. Peace starts with someone leaving the noisey room so they can read quietly.

    Oh, and those are the people that get killed the most. The peaceful people who don't care and want to live their lives.

    Of course, I'm sure they're trying to emphasize the fact he said nasty things about the Tea Party a LOT more than anti-Israeli remarks. And I have to admit, I agree on some level with what he said there. The Republican party is NO the same party. You've got Neo-Cons running the scene and these poser libertarians (libertarians hate both sides... plus they are VERY extreme in their views in cases) on the other. The founder of the party, the great Abe Lincoln would be appalled the very same party he created to save the country is used to divide it so. Teddy Roosevelt, the great Trustbuster would be appalled at their de-regulation and union busting.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, it's starting to surface the extent of this guy's creative editing. Turns out this Cheatsy O'Koopa guy should really work for Michael Bay... cutting out the plot and just keeping the explosive fluff.

    Here's the REAL story that NO ONE is reporting.

    The person in question who was filmed was actually a republican himself... he actually mentions in the unedited version that he spoke to top members of the Republican party about their opinion of the Tea Party... and they don't like them either (probably, except for their votes)... his mention that they'd be better out without funding was edited out of context, meaning they wouldn't be so scrutinized by biased commercial "where the money is" newspinion organizations for being biased.

    The pathetic pandering to a fake Muslim organization (hey, wait... didn't one of their own guys get fired for saying racist things about Muslims before getting picked up by Fox?) is all the fundraisers fault, though. But hey, how else are you going to pry money out of someone? Suck up.

    But, HEY! This monolith kicking over a sandcastle is doing it's job. The right's using it as "we shouldn't government subsidize anything but oil and big health" leverage again. And here we go with "I don't want my tax dollars to blah blah blah." Yeah, well, I don't want my tax dollars to go to renaming things after Reagan and putting Reagan's face on money. His family has enough money to do that themselves. but I don't have that choice.

    Yeah, PBS is doomed.
  5. GOONZOTHECRUDE

    GOONZOTHECRUDE New Member

    Jim Henson is spinning in his grave right now because it was never intended that his creations to be used as political pawns by the turds that run PBS and NPR.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, because Sesame Street can survive on a regular broadcast station... why it can be part of the Saturday morning Line up of Kid's WB... oh wait... that's gone. How about the Fox Kids line up... oh wait? That's infomercials now.


    No... wait. it can be Nick Jr. What a relief. But we have to altyer it to remain competitive. It has to be a full half hour Elmo's world... and CGI to save costs. And it's voiced in Canada... so yeah. SS can survive on a broadcast station... just not in a way that anyone would be happy.

    Yeah, Jim's REALLY rolling in his grave that one of the same network's that helped his creation's launch national success is run by turds... :rolleyes:
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Ooo now this is an intriguing article!

    Sesame Street Neighbors Go to Washington
    http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2011/03/15/sesame-street-neighbors-go-to-washington/

  8. GOONZOTHECRUDE

    GOONZOTHECRUDE New Member

    First off both PBS and NPR can survive federal funds second SS hasn't been the same in years how could switching networks make it any worst. I don't think Jim ever intended his creation's to be used as political pawns infact the only time JH ever used the muppet's to make a political stand was the TV spots Kermitt did for the National Wildlife Fund.
  9. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah... I'll say this once and only once in bold type:

    Anyone who thinks SS can survive on any other network is kidding themselves and knows NOTHING of the children's television climate on corporate commercial programming. If you don't believe me, wake up to a Saturday morning sometime. Without cable!

    Secondly, Jim Henson didn't create Sesame Street... anyone who is an actual Muppet fan knows that. He almost refused to work on it at one point. But Jim had a nice relationship with everyone in CTW/SW, and everyone that worked on the show... why wouldn't they want to preserve that?

    Thirdly, Oh yeah, Jim Henson's creations are being used as pawns... no more than PBS and NPR's evil "liberalness" is being used as a pawn against the fakey budget busting the Tea Party Poopers want so they greedily don't have to pay taxes. Hey, America! Wake up! The first thing they did when they got elected was to protect the billions in tax cuts the wealthy, who used those to pad their profits and not actually hire anybody. If they were oh so serious about the budget, they'd take these people off corporate welfare first. You can't make budget nickel and diming PBS and NPR. If you desperately need that money, Congress, take a pay cut. If you're paid 3 dollars less, NPR and PBS would be safe. If we got out of Iraqistan one day earlier, NPR and PBS would be safe. If we didn't federally fund race horse insemination, NPR and PBS would be safe. Remember, the very same people the country sent to bust the budget is the SAME exact party that screwed us up last decade.

    Fourthly, Yeah... Kermit is spelled with as many T's as possible.

    As for the article, this guy summed it up better than I could.

  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I already said I didn't mind the guy from NPR getting in trouble. But yes, of course it was entrapment and it's completely unfair for PBS to get in the middle of this. It's basically guilt by association.

    As for being "pawns," I mean there are certainly times I wouldn't want to see the Muppets in politics, but in this case I think it's important for them to take a stand.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well put. I'm sorry, but PBS detractors don't have a real leg to stand on. If we wanna talk about pawns, how about the pawns the other side uses to get rid of PBS? Like the whole "Postcards for Buster" shoving tolerance towards gays and Muslims down kid's throats (a lot less aggressively than they're shoving hatred of gays and Muslims down their voter's throats?), same thing with the "we Are Family" video... and my personal favorite, a 3 year old joke (during the you know who era) about Fox News means that SS is an evil liberal brainwashing organization. Yeah... pot... kettle... black we get it.

    Face it, these guys want PBS off the map for multiple reasons, and the excuses they give to the public are pathetic! They get a small amount of money, but that small amount will be missed. And PBS is so much more than SS... SS would get picked up by someone else... but A) Massive changes that would make the block format look humble by comparison B) actual commercial content (I don't want the show to be interrupted by senior bladder control mail-a-way companies instead of the letters B and the number 12) and C) it would have to move to cable, rendering it inaccessible. PBS and SS need each other. SS needs it to remain commercial free (relatively) and accessible to people who don't want to shell out 50 bucks a month. That's what trash like Dora is for.

    I have to settle for broadcast digital. We got 5 extra channels, and I'm missing several that I actually watched. And guess what? 3 of those are PBS stations... a special network for travel shows, cooking shows, and painting shows combined... and a kid's channel (which I really disagree with their programming). Nothing else added anything for children (This: TV does have a week long morning cartoon line up... that's it... and it's quality 1980's-90's Dic stuff).

    There are only a handful of children's networks on cable... Nickelodeon, Disney, Cartoon Network (which I object to being considered a kid's channel), and splinter groups of those that you have to pay extra for (Boomerang, XD, and Nicktoons). Maybe a couple others on super premium.

    Think of it this way. Fraggle Rock was only bought up by HBO, the most premium of premiums of the day. It lasted 5 years, some meddling from HBO ended it, and it isn't all that well remembered. Other than a few VHS's, the only way to watch it was to hope you could find someone with HBO to tape it for you (I didn't). Us poor kids had to settle for the cartoon version and appearances through specials. Sesame Street? 42 years, everyone in the world knows what Sesame Street is... if you say "Red Fraggle" half of everyone will give you a "Huh?" If you mention Cookie Monster, EVERYONE speaks up about him, even passers by! Accessibility!

    I'm sorry, no matter WHAT political poo anyone can fling, Jim Henson was a staunch supporter of PBS. PBS, syndication, and to an extent HBO have been inordinately kind to him and his creations. Lest we forget NBC treated JHH with disdain, ABC refused to pick up the Muppets for anything more than a special, and let's not forget how big of a flop MT was on said network. These little independent stations (syndication is long since dead) are the best places for things to flourish.


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