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Can we do something about posting for posts sake?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Drtooth, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    I think that as long children under 13 aren't being bothersome on the website, it is fine for them to go on. (Of course with parents permission.) I joined this website under 13, and I don't think I was a bother… (hopefully, haha)

    But I don't think it's necessary to tell others to leave the site because they are 12, even if they aren't doing anything wrong.
     
  2. StevieOpossum

    StevieOpossum Active Member

    Responding to a post with only "cool", "yeah", "good", et cetera is pretty much the same as TL;DR (at least that's how people feel when they see that happen).
     
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  3. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    But at the same time, it irritates other people as they see an alert and all it is is 'ok.' They just wasted their time over nonsense. There is A LIKE feature on this forum for a reason. Instead of saying I agree and just that, people can just press the like button and not post. It means the same thing as saying "i agree" and adding nothing to it.
     
  4. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    As I mentioned before, the "like" option does serve a purpose. With it, the simplistic "yeah" replies aren't needed. "Liking" a comment can make a person feel "wanted" just as much as a one to two-worded reply.
    Edit: Ziffled.
     
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  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    We don't name names for a reason, that tends to be flame bait, we want to try and avoid that.
     
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  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing Ed's deleting posts?
     
  7. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Hexactly. If you wonder who the person or persons carrying out the pernicious behavior are, then ask via private conversations.

    *Bares fangs, I vouldn't vaste a bite on such a hollow mark. :batty: :scary:

    You're noticing that now? Can't get anything past good ol' Snowthmeiser. Anything he touched, turns to pink punch in his clutch, he's too much.
     
  8. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    *Collapses into coffin bed. You remember that sketch from Hysteria! with the "evil" authors destroying all the works deemed inferior, like the samurai hacking long volumes to shredded ribbons? Now I know how that guy felt, after taking a flame-thrower to the fics area of the forum to remove a small ton of spammage. Seriously people... Are we going to have to lock down the FanFiction section like what was done with the Games folder after the flood of 2004/2005? Will we have to make it MC's version of the Restricted Section from Hogwart's main library, where people are only allowed to add their fics with a mod's approval in opening the thread for them? Yeah, that's something I rully relish, the incoming avalanche of requests from everybody for me to post new threads for them. *Sarcastic voice*

    Please tell the forum administration to step up and effectively delete both the offending parties' accounts and posts all at once cause things can't continue the way they are with only a skeleton crewman trying to clean up the muck. :(
     
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The problem is, while it's mildly annoying in a regular thread, it's hair pulling when it's a thread based on a project or movie or something that hasn't had any updates in a while. And, let's face it... between Disney, SW, and Henson we get a LOT of those. A new post in a thread about a project that's been dormant will automatically look like there's some update. be it news it's going to happen, not going to happen, or specifics of why it's not happening or remaining stagnant. Then you see either "cool" (uncapitalized) or "I can't wait for [dead project]" or anything that just keeps a thread going that shouldn't.

    Also, drudging up posts, sometimes decades old without adding anything to the conversation (there are those who do find old threads, but manage to start the conversation up again), and just saying a couple monosyllabic responses. That clutters up the forum. Then there's now the opposite problem... multiple threads on the same subject. Now, that's understandable if someone doesn't want to go looking for posts pages and pages deep. And it happens every time we have a new major project. We've got several MMW threads going at once. That's confusing, sure... but it happens. Then there's one member who kept posting the same thing about the same skit in at least 3 or 4 threads all there on the same page, like it's so important that we know about it. Yeah, it sucks when you want to have a conversation and everyone ignores you, but posting it three or 4 times when no one has any useful information.... that's a waste of everyone's time and clutters up the forum.
     
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  10. StevieOpossum

    StevieOpossum Active Member

    Some of these "spammers" aren't getting the hint, are blissfully unaware of their barrage of spam-flavored muffins they're throwing, or are actually just trolling and doing it for the lolz.

    Maybe someone could PM them about the issue.
     
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  11. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    That's what the warning points system is for. But since they keep on spamming, it seems the warning points system isn't really that effective against them.

    Also... No matter how many likes a spammer bestows upon a member, that still constitutes spam and is incredibly annoying/stalkerish. It frazzles me to find a slue of these by this one jerkwad who I already want to ram a brick repeatedly through their head for their blatent spammerish stupidity for lack of better MC-PG words. :grr:
     
  12. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    I've been in the Fan-Fiction section today, and boy was that a mistake.

    Almost EVERY SINGLE FAN-FIC (written by the spammers we are referring to, I think) is basically "Lulz OMG XD im sooo in a realetionship wit *insert muppet name here* lmao XD"

    Okay, this rubs me the wrong way in two ways. First of all, isn't the Fan-Fiction section meant for Muppet fans who know how to tell a story (or perhaps just aspiring writers) to make up stories about the Muppets and not have themselves take over the show (I know there's a word or term for putting yourself or a version of yourself in the story, but I can't quite remember what said term is.)?

    Also, the Muppets they are putting themselves in relations with are clearly Muppets that are adults. Yes, I'm well aware that it is fictitious, but the thought of young girls having deep "admiration" for adult Muppets...rubs me the wrong way.
     
  13. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I've felt that way about the more recent fan fics for the longest time, but quite frankly didn't have the nerve to say anything. Honestly, it feels more like I'm reading someone else's diary than a story. And I'd much rather read a story for all (Muppet fan, anyway) audiences than someone's personal fantasies. Not to mention the fact that there was a PG-13 fan fic on here at one point. Even though the author put a warning at the beginning, that doesn't mean it's going to keep all younger visitors away. Let's face facts: kids (especially on the internet) get curious. I'll just leave it at that.

    I'm not saying "delete these fan fics", nor am I saying the fan fics are bad (they do have any audience, after all). Rather I'm saying that I just can't get into them. I'd offer further criticism, but it's what they want to write, and I don't really see how that's a threat to the forum (though I'm not sure about the PG-13 story).
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Ironically, the fanfic board used to be so cliquish, so I'm surprised they're all getting away with this.
     
  15. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member


    Yeah, that PG-13 fan-fic you are referring to really got me thinking. Do people actually think that? I mean, these are characters that children and adults of all ages enjoy, and to just throw them into...that situation just kind of makes me question some of the members on this forum (or, just that one author of said story.). That really isn't something you should post on a public forum that anyone can go on.

    I mean, what if a young child had read that? It's not like we have restrictions on what age can read certain posts. And, even if we did, people would get around it.
     
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You probably shouldn't look through some of the things on deviantART then.
     
  17. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Hi, few things to say...

    1 The term for self-insertion is Mary Sue/Gary Stu depending on your gender. Frankly, because of the type of non-active person I've been, I always came up with my own self-character for insertion in various fandom franchises. The caution is not to make your self-character uber-empowered that he or she can just wipe away all problems with a flick of the finger. Knowledgeable or brainy, sure; strong, if you want; speedily quick, that's your call; just so long as they have some normal flaw like everyone else. Which is why I'm generally okay with self-insertion of ourselves into Muppet-related fics or the creation of other original Muppetlike characters.

    2 If you're going to have characters, or in this case other people's self-characters involved in your fic, ask permission from that other person first. I've done it myself on occasion and I'm thankful that my reputation here has ended up in positive permission most of the times I've asked to bring others' characters into my own realm.

    3 They can get away with all their cruddy posts in the fanfic section because they can. Basically, we need assistant moderators who can either alert or help tidy up the place and we need to give full staff moderators the power to not just ban members at whatever point they become spammerish; but to pull off the magic trick of automatically deleting the offending parties' posts when their account has been banned as well. I'm doing all I can, but I'm just one person... *Song cue? Have two hands only. Not to mention the jerks don't learn anything from having their posts deleted, posting the deleted garbage over and over again.

    As far as PG-13 fics, that's a tricky subject. So far the few ones I've seen posted here are by authors I have full respect in, namely Ruahnna and newsmanfan. If anything clearly crosses the line past MC's general feeling, contact a mod so they can look at it and render their own decision.

    Thanks for your support, have a good day. :jim:
     
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  18. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member


    Well, yes, but there is a difference between their system and our system. On Muppet Central, anyone can look at any post (unless The Count deletes a post, which, unfortunately, he's had to do A LOT these days.), even if they aren't a member.

    On deviantART, if the creator deems a work inappropriate (I'm not sure if they can do that, I'm not as well antiquated with deviantART as others are), the viewer of said works must be signed into an account and be of legal age to view it. Of course, people can get around that too, but it takes a bit more work. I, quite frankly, despise those that lie about their age just so they can view things they aren't supposed to see.

    Great, now these spammers are making me act like a concerned parent.
     
  19. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Mary Sue/Gary Stu and other variations are nauseatingly idealized characters that authors plop into a story, where they proceed to become the center of the universe. The other characters fall into orbit around them, often romantically , not because they are so great or the story calls for it, but because the author loves their pet character best. This does not only happen in fanfic; Wesley Crusher is a canon Mary Sue.

    Self-insertion characters are often Mary Sues, and many Mary Sues are self-insertions, but the terms are not synonymous.
    YES. I'm squicky about having people use my characters in their fic without my permission. But I've never had to refuse a request, perhaps because the kind of person who asks permission is likely to be the kind of person who will make an effort to write 'em right.
    Hmmm...I seem to remember a certain fic about a giant chicken, heh heh heh...
     
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  20. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Giant chicken? Hey, we got a giant chicken here!
    You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man, you're a chicken Boo.

    Heh heh, that was during my ush-gush phase. *Hides plans for Calendar Girl fic that only Ru's previewed so far that I have to keep writing someday.

    Thanks for clarifying the terms, glad that the ol' similitude trick still applies.

    :news: We now return you to your regularly scheduled forums.
     


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