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Can we do something about posting for posts sake?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Drtooth, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    In fact, just to touch on this a little more, from my ten years being here, I can pretty much classify each era of MC based on the atmosphere of the community.

    2002-2004: Impersonal. I don't mean the people here were impersonal or anything, I just mean the forum was just a forum, it had no community atmosphere to it whatsoever... but then again, it was a much smaller crowd then.

    2005-2008: That's when things really picked up. MC slowly started to grow, and more and more people started coming out their shells, they started bonding, forming friendships, developing a real community. I attribute a lot of it to That Announcer, he really coaxed people out of their comfort zones and stirred up interest in people.

    2008-2009: The community continued to grow, but at the same time, things also started to get slightly cliquish around here. There was still a general peacefulness and relaxed feeling in the atmosphere, but it's like there was an unwritten need for people to fit in with one certain group of people or another (this was especially true of the fanfiction section).

    2010-2011: As I mentioned earlier, this was when things really started to get like high school dramatics. Lots of whining about popularity contests, disputes and flame wars were becoming more commonplace, there was always something negative going on... at the same time, there were also whining about the negativity, so it was a double-edged sword: on the one hand, there were people who would always hold pity parties for themselves because they weren't popular or they felt like nobody liked them, but on the other hand, other people were complaining that the negativity was ruining the entire forum for everybody else. It's like a happy median couldn't be reached, nobody could be pleased with anything.

    2012-present: Aside from current problem that this thread is discussing, the community is generally more settled down now, but still lacks the overall charm and personality it once had, but as I've said before, as long as it's been, and as long as MC has grown and evolved over the years, I doubt it'll ever be like it was again.
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    For the most part, a good friendly reminder can work. And when it doesn't (certainly didn't with that member), then what? Not to mention we have forum rules. If we can add some forum suggestions that every new member should read, it can clear up some confusion.

    It's not about punishing random members, it's about keeping the forum free of clutter posts and threads. Especially ones based on dormant projects. A new reply will always seem like some news (inside or otherwise), or at least a conversation. To open it up to find nonsense is welcoming disappointment.
  3. StevieOpossum

    StevieOpossum Well-Known Member

    I've only been a member here for less than two months, but it seems a little too laid back here. It kinda lacks energy and overall forum activity. Sometimes a whole day goes by with me getting mostly one-word responses from spammers. I have yet to see actual muffining, or something really exciting.

    I really like this idea. You could boost your post count in minutes using the "One Word Story" thread. I also think that there should be some system where members have to have [x] number of posts, must be an active/well-known member, or somethin' like that to access the Games section, to prevent annoying one-word posts or off-topicness.
  4. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Can somebody explain the importance of post counts? Why are we so concerned about somebody's post count? Does it really matter if somebody has 100 posts or 1600 posts?
  5. StevieOpossum

    StevieOpossum Well-Known Member

    I don't really mean post count, more like if what they've posted isn't just "LOL", "i dont", et cetera, so they can be sure that the user won't spam the Games section.

    The actual number of posts someone has doesn't really matter.
  6. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Ok...you are starting to irritate me. You are being as hard headed as the people who CAN'T be educated that what they are doing is spam. You are criticizing a MOD for deleting posts. He can delete whatever post he feels like. On any other forum, attacking a mod and their decision to delete things would get you banned. You are the only one here that is continuing this argument.

    You are also missing the point that post count does matter to some people. You seem to have completely missed the point that some members have admitted to posting one word replies just to get their post count up. In fact, the way you are getting so defensive over it, I might even say post count matters to you in that way.

    No, I don't want to hear anything about me being top poster. That is moot and irrelevant but I can't help but think you would bring it up anyway.
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  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Okay, okay, let's stop the hostilities and just simplify things so we can get the point across.

    A) Post counts don't really matter, especially since MC switched from vBulletine to XenForo, where we don't even really see post counts anymore.

    2) Mods delete posts that serve no purpose, and we did kind of muffin this thread by doing exactly what we were complaining about.

    D) There's absolutely nothing wrong with the same people posting, "Yeah", "Okay, "I agree", "Me too", "No" over and over and over and over again, we're all just old and cranky fuddy-duddies.
  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    (throws Muffins at old fuddy-duddies) speak for yourself Dude I'm as young as they come and can muffin with the best of them! Just kidding? here have a cupcake.
  9. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Well, I don't even know how to reply to this. I certainly didn't mean to attack anybody and if it came across that way, I apologize.

    Can we set aside the whole discussion about post-count because I think my larger point is being missed? I guess I'm not making myself clear (and perhaps that's why I don't post here that much). I'm trying to understand what makes a post "worthy" to be kept or not. What are the criteria? My fear is that by deleting posts or threads, MC might come across as being less welcoming to new members or even "old" members like me. I know if I'm posting here and my posts are being deleted, I'm going to be less likely to post things on here. And that would make me feel unwelcome on here. That's not the message MC should be sending.

    I'll give an example. A couple of weeks ago I started a thread on the new version of the television show "Whose Line Is It Anyway?". That thread was deleted almost immediately. I still don't know why. It was posted in the correct forum. There have been other threads started on other television shows. I know from other posts and conversations that there are fans of the show here. (D'Snowth and his crush on Kathy Greenwood comes to mind ;)) But the thread was deleted anyway. I'm not sure why. Now look at it from my perspective. I started a thread on a show that I thought people here might be interested in. That thread was deleted without explanation. Is that going to make me feel welcome here? Is that going to make me more or less likely to want to contribute here with threads or posts?

    I guess my larger point (which seems to be getting lost in the whole post count discussion) is that by going happy with the deletions you run the risk of alienating people. I know it is an annoyance when people bump old threads or post for posting sake but to me that's the inconvenience you put up with. I'd rather err on the side of being open and welcoming as a community than on the side of alienating people.
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  10. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    That usually happens when there are two threads of the same topic. (Which is exactly the case here.) The thread is usually either deleted, or combined with an existing thread.

    Muppetboy had a thread on it a while back. I'll find it for you.

    EDIT: http://www.muppetcentral.com/forum/threads/the-return-of-whose-line-is-it-anyway.54219/

  11. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Aaah, thank you. I did a search but never came up with it. That would explain it. Maybe in cases like this, rather than deleting the thread a post can be made directed to the original thread and then the repeat thread can be locked rather than deleted. Or at least an explanation. Would certainly have made me feel better and cleared up a lot of confusion.
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think I should be the one to apologize, I was the one who brought up the whole idea of deleting whole threads. My suggestion was that we deleted real old threads, that no one reads, or anything anymore. Even when I came up with the idea, in the back of my mind I knew it was not the best idea. I'm sorry I caused such an uproar.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Deleting posts and threads (as well as banning) is a nuclear option. I'm sure the MODs don't get enjoyment from deleting those things. There are those who, no matter how many polite warnings that turn into more stern ones they receive, continue to revert to their old behavior. Again, this was the actions of one member, who was reported multiple times.

    Of course, we've also had problems with spam and trolling lately. That's another subject, but the same small problems with the new format.
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  14. StevieOpossum

    StevieOpossum Well-Known Member

    They should just lock old threads about dead projects and such, so we won't get those "i wont" responses when someone asks if there's any new info on the project.
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  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    At this time, I would just like to thank Ed for his continued efforts to help clean MC up, one spammish post at a time, with the limited powers he has.

    I know you try hard Ed, and you deserve some recognition and appreciation for the job you do here.
  16. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    *Sends six-pack of fruit punch over to D'Snowth.

    It should be pointed out that when a mod or staff member deletes a post or thread, they provide the reason why said post or thread is being deleted. Apparently, the forum needs to send out a matching notification to the member regarding said deletion and its reasoning, but that'd be something the administration would have to implement as I'm not in control of the BTS coding.

    As far as post counts, it does matter, if only slightly as your status title changes with the incremental additions. The system, until the change in 2011, used to go as follows:
    0 posts: Junior Member,
    30 posts: Member, and
    1000 posts: Senior Member.
    Now, I'm not exactly sure how it changes, but the three titles are New Member, Active Member, and Well-Known Member—equivalent to Senior Member with an accumulation of a thousand posts. I happen to have a suggestion to make to Phil that once a member reaches the WK Member status with 1000 posts and 500 likes to their name, garnering them the maximum allotment of 113 Trophy Points, with 0 Warning Points, that would then activate the reward of custom user titles. But the moment a member gets a single warning point, that privilege is lost until said warning's expiration, reverting their status to WK Member.

    As for the Games section... We had a few threads there which were also tied to how many posts a member had, but because of post-padding to get the desired total plus the prevalent spammish nature of that endeavor, the threads got wiped or locked resulting in only mods or staff members having the power to start a thread in that section.

    Hope this answers a few questions floating about.
  17. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Yes if we ever do the Muppet Central Froum Awards again, Ed will get my vote for best Mod, or the Lifetime Achievement award.
  18. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    We need an Ed Day. Give Ed a special day off where nobody posts! :D

    (Yeah, I know, it couldn't realistically happen unless the forum was shut down).
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  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Nah, the ideal Ed day would be a day where there's absolutely NO problems whatsoever... no spammers, no trolls, no immature posters who post for the sake of posting...

    We talked about muffining earlier, what would be cool is if we were able to have a day just devoted to pure and simple muffin fun! I remember one night yeeeeeaaaarrrrs ago, for some reason, Prawnie, MrsPepper, and I somehow just broke into spontaneous muffining almost all night long, it was really fun.
  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Now explain to some of our viewers, who maybe just tuning in on what muffining really means, and how to do it.
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