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Character changes?

Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by Baby Gonzo, Sep 2, 2008.

  1. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Upon revisiting the Muppets in general (The Muppet Show, Muppet Babies, the Muppet movies, ect...) in the past year, I have noticed something I wasn't really aware of as a child. While the spirit and personality of the characters is often there, most of the Muppets went through some sort of change in character in the Muppet Babies. With most cartoons that feature children, characters can be broken down into different types: the leader, the cute one, the smart one, the troublemaker/bully, the active/sporty one, the naive one, and so on. I never realized how some of the characters were changed to fit into that formula.

    For example, as opposed to his position as gofer, Baby Scooter is a computer whiz. Understandable, if the logic is to make a child character a gofer would really just make everyone else seem like a bully.

    Baby Fozzie was made to be considerably more naive than his adult counterpart.

    Baby Bean almost seemed to be older than he really is for some reason. Steve Whitmire's voice was already high pitched, young, and cute when he performed Bean. I don't think Dave Coulier captured that naivety in his portrayal of Bean. I have yet to decide if that's just a character thing or a voice thing.

    Baby Gonzo seems like he's more aware of his actions and weirdness than his adult counterpart. And between taking the other babies toys on occasion and getting into reckless situations, he often seemed to fall into the troublemaker category as well. Well, it's not unlike Gonzo to be reckless, but I don't think he was as big of a troublemaker.

    (I'm not sure if anything I just posted made since, but it did in my head.)
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Very true, whereas adult Fozzie is a bit neurotic and worried about how funny people think he is, Baby Fozzie is more happily oblivious.

    And Baby Gonzo's a bit more proud of being an outcast, whereas adult Gonzo is weird but still wants applause.

    It makes sense actually, children are often more at ease with themselves and become more self conscious as they get older.
  3. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    That's a good, interesting point. I wonder if that was intentional on the writers' part?
  4. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    It's possible. Take the characters on 'A Pup Named Scooby Doo' for example (young Velma being more quite and laid back, young Daphne being a spoiled brat, young Freddy being a moron). That's pretty common on TV shows with younger versions of characters. I guess it makes things more humorous.
  5. ngreen522

    ngreen522 Well-Known Member

    wow guys, good insight!
  6. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    The issue actually began, when the Baby characters leaked into the real Muppet world...Come MTI, Fozzie IS more naive and brainless rather than funny and worried about stage-fright.

    I'm glad that the baby characters resolved the Gonzo/Piggy/Kermit love triangles though.
  7. ngreen522

    ngreen522 Well-Known Member

    hhmm .... is there another example of the baby characters leaking into the adult characters? In MTI, I feel like Fozzie was portraying Squire Trelawney, who happened to be "naive and brainless".
  8. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Well, in the case of Gonzo, though he does want applause, he is--like his baby self--reckless, gets into trouble (not that he causes said trouble, though), and does become proud of being who he is...a one of a kind alien that falls into the category of being a whatever. XD

    And I betcha, one of these days, Team Henson might just team Gonzo and Animal up like Muppet Babies did. ^_^

    And speaking of the babies, 'tis time for this post to--dare I say it--"Go Bye Bye...Yabababababa!"
  9. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Resolved? Admittedly, I never got a chance to see the whole thing, but Skeeter made it a love square or something. :flirt:
  10. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I don't think adult Gonzo causes trouble as much as mayhem. He is reckless, but not as much of a troublemaker as his baby counterpart. There are, in the very least, two episodes I can count where Gonzo took other character's toys without thinking of the consequences. Adult Gonzo, while reckless, wouldn't take his friend's stuff without asking, I would think.

    One could argue "Well, kids always seem to get into everything. So what?" But this behavior wasn't as prominent in the other babies. Without making him unlikable or antagonistic, Gonzo was made somewhat of a bully, for lack of a better word.
  11. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Trouble and mayhem though, are pretty synonomous & I said that Gonzo gets into trouble (ex: in TMM when he's carried away by baloons) and doesn't--outright, anway--cause it.
  12. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Hmm... You're right. Though I guess I'm using the word trouble in a different context.
  13. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

  14. Baby Rowlf

    Baby Rowlf Well-Known Member

    This is a pretty interesting thread!

    In regards to Baby Gonzo, I found that there was a change in his personality as the show progressed. Yeah he caused chaos, and took the others' belongings without really thinking, but towards the end of the show, he got pretty uncharacteristically mean in my opinion.

    For example, Punchline to the Tummy, he intentionally makes Baby Fozzie think the other babies hate him. And if I recall, he took turns actively picking on Piggy. By the end of the show's run, I don't even think Gonzo had any sort of attraction to Piggy at all.
  15. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Was he meant to in the first place? His adult counterpart certainly doesn't. XD
  16. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I suppose his attitude towards Piggy was justified, considering how she handled his crush on her in the first place.

    And you're right about how he treated Fozzie in Punchline to the Tummy. I could never see his adult counterpart acting in such a way.
  17. Baby Rowlf

    Baby Rowlf Well-Known Member

    You know that this also started me thinking on? Baby Scooter. Early on, it was mentioned that Scooter was stuck as the "smart one" since a more realistic Baby Scooter could possibly be translated as the other Babies bullying him. While this could indeed be the case, it started me thinking.

    Now with Baby Skeeter, she sounded identical to MTM's Baby Scooter. And had adult Scooter's clothes scheme, with the light green shirt and blue shorts (Scooter's token outfit was a green jacket and blue jeans.). As for her personality, take away the jock role, and she also has adult Scooter's bratty streak and personality. Granted grown up Scooter was a lot more subtle, but he had his way of subtlely setting off Miss Piggy with an "innocent" remark, or using his uncle's position of power (Owner of the Muppet Theatre) to get something he wanted.

    So it's indeed an interesting observation how Scooter had a twin sister, Skeeter, but that they made SKEETER to take after the adult Scooter, more than his own baby version ever did.
  18. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I never thought about that, but it makes sense if you think about it. And of all the characters, Baby Scooter's personality seems to be most unlike his adult self in comparison to the rest of the babies.
  19. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Perhaps they wanted the avoid the stereotypical librarian-esque role for Skeeter, hence the reverse in personalities?
  20. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    That's a good point too. I am glad Skeeter was given an outgoing, sporty personality. It just seems right considering the only other female lead, Piggy, is much more girly.

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