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Commercial rant time...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Aug 15, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I had to split this from the McDonalds jingle thread because I feel this is an important topic that's been going silent for too long, and I for one think it needs to be addressed.

    Okay, sure... say what you will... junk food commercial= Joe Camel blah blah blah... but how come I see commercials for things that are quite a bit more hazardous, financially, if not health oriented?

    Seems everytijme I turn the TV on I see these commercials:

    • Cash for Gold/Gold Rush/Gold Envelope, etc.
    • a website that supposedly has all these great home business job offers. You know, the ones that have an ever changing number in the web address so they don't get caught
    • SMC- a compnay that tells you you can make money by buying stuff and selling stuff (the very definition of pyramid scheme)
    • Sleep medications with side effects that are more dangerous and terrifying than not being fully awake.
    • And of course, infomercials featuring get rich quick schemes and non-working cures "they" don't want you to know about.

    I'm sorry... but that stuff is much, much worse than anything they advertise on kid's programming (Junk Food, toys, video games... etc). And frankly, I think adults aren't half as smart as kids when it comes to these things. Other than the medications, all the ones I listed take advantage of broken down poor, down on their luck people. And they've grown in numbers because of the Recession (like a flock of vampires gathering at a blood bank). Where is the government and angry groups fighting to stop these advertisements from being on TV? Especially during daytime television, where poor, broken people who want to make a quick buck can be suckered into it?

    And the infomercial I was talking about... ever hear of someone called Kevin Trudeau? Dude's a freaking traveling medicine salesman who was indited for multiple scams in the 80's, who sold books with little if any useful information and got caught for it, and he STILL makes infomercials. Really! We can't see Chester Cheetah, but a conman can have his infomercials unregulated? Seems fair.
     
  2. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    Have you seen the "Extenze" (or whatever it's called) commercial? Ewness! And don't forget the "go to school online/in your pajamas" ads.
     
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  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I kind of like those myself, but only because I think the girl in those commercials is kind of hot... :batty:
     
  4. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    ^ LOL. OK then :)
     
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm so glad the message I'm sending is getting across... :attitude: (we really should have had a Sam the Eagle Face palm smilie).
     
  6. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    I can vouch for the pure evil-ness of SMC. I used to work there (Arizona has a lot of call centers). I had heard from a lot of people beforehand that it's not a good place to work but as someone who needed a graveyard job to work at as a second job, they were one of the few real good choices. I can vouch that they are evil personified. One of my managers/Big Bosses had a very obvious drug problem as well. You can tell a lot about how a company values its customers by how it values its employees and vice versa. They kept cutting employees' hours and pay - you could either accept the paycuts or not work there. Even though i actually did very well there and was one of their top employees during my six months with them (i had to leave because my car broke down and had to make a Sofie's Choice between my day and my night job) but they won't rehire me now (or any former employees who want to come back whether they left on good terms or not) because i know all their dirty little secrets as to what they used to provide their employees vs what they offer now.

    Not all products in informercials are bad - some are really quite good really - but let the buyer beware. I do feel a need to defend Kevin Trudeau however - while he doesn't have the most squeaky clean history, he has done a lot of good - there was lots of valuable information that the general public really should be more educated on in his books on Natural Cures and Debt Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About and i reccomend them as good reads (pick them up at the library if you don't want to spend the money).

    However, stay away from home-based biz-opps. Over 95% of them are scams.
     
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I heard the "Natural Cure" diet thing was to just keep getting enemas. I've heard and seen nothing but bad things regarding him. Anyone else, fine. If there's any information that is useful, it's either common knowledge or possibly stolen from someone else. Plus, frankly, there's a lot to the guy that he doesn't want you to know.

    And sure, there are some infomercials that aren't scams... that Popile guy hazs a reputation for quality products... It's the scammy ones that bug me...

    The point I am making is that adult commercials are FAR more convincing than kid's commercials... they play off of so many adult neuroses it gets awfully creepy to think about them. Yet, the kid's commercials are the ones being pulled off the air and scrutinized by so called advocates. I can understand why people have problems with the food advertisements. I don't agree that pulling them off the air will do anything to the obesity problem. But there's a group that wants to get rid of toy commercials too, because kids might want to ask for them. Which, honestly, is just selfish, lazy parenting masquerading as caring for children.\

    My point? I have watched thousands of hours of TV in my life, and there is one thing I get out of kid's commercials:

    "Buy it! It's sooo cool! Beg your parents for it!" Now, that doesn't sound too bad, considering the basic ideal of a commercial is to make you want something you don't need. But you get into adult commercials, and I see some shocking emasculation and badgering. This is what I get out of adult commercials.

    "You can only be a true man if you drink a lot of beer and drive a huge gas sucking truck. If you look the slightest bit old, you can't be that playboy you always wanted to be, but aren't, and loose women won't hit on you for your ego. If you care about fuel economy and anything else besides action films, women that are hotter than your wife currently, you could be gay." (you wouldn't believe the subtle homophobia they have in these things...)

    "It's okay for women to be five pounds overweight, but anything over that much and you have to consume as many cereals, yogurts, and drinks as possible so you can grab that perfectly perfect man you think you deserve, but are somehow better than. And hypocritically, eat decadent desserts." (Watch a Lean Cuisine commercial sometime)

    and my personal favorite:

    "If you can't sleep, feel slightly depressed or can't satisfy your mate at an obscenely old age, than pop a pill. It doesn't matter what the side effects are... would you rather see pink elephants, have suicidal thoughts, wake up with your car crashed in a ditch and you're in a dress (and a dude), or not have a good night's sleep?" (I'm well aware there are some medications, even depression ones, that are vitally important... I don't think they should be advertised on TV either, and that's an important decision between a doctor and patient. Did you know the US is the only country that allows pharmaceutical adds on TV?)

    The one change I'm thrilled about is how the payday car title loans are vanquished from the air waves. I swear they had something to do with the credit crash that helped fuel the Recession. And Mr. T shouldn't have needed money that bad.
     
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Okay Drtooth, sorry for initially ruining your thread, I'll be seriousness...

    Over the years, there's been plenty of commercials that have drove me absolutely bonkers; two of which I can't currently remember off the top of my head are...

    1. From 2002 or 2003 or so, there was that commercial for those snack tubes of Skippy peanut butter, and the kids in those commercials performing that godawful rap that made you bang your head on the wall... "SQUEEZE! IT'S DA SKIPPY, IT'S DA SKIPPY YA SQUEEZE!" Matter of fact, quite a few kids in school at the time hated it as well, lol.
    2. From 2004 (I believe) there was a commercial for some kind of digital camera, where this guy was in a meadow, and comes across a turtle by the duck pond; he kneals down to take a picture of it, and all of the sudden, this turtle stands on its hind legs and starts singing "In the morning/in the evening/at suppertime/not much money/oh but honey/ain't we got fun/ain't we got fun", etc... meh...
     
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I see what you mean... though my entire thesis of this post is that there's so many annoying, frustrating, and self serving regulations on kid's TV commercials (leading to even more frustraiting, annoying, self serving regulations for kid's Television on the whole- thus making it not profitable and not worth it enough for networks to actually attempt original kid's programming), but with adult programming you can advertise anything because we're force fed the ideal that kids aren't as smart as adults.... and frankly, even kids wouldn't fall for half the get rich quick schemes they advertise on daytime television. Oh, to make it so daytime shows like Maury Povich and Judge Karen were unprofitable.

    Again, this is still venting my frustration about the state of children's programming and any animation that isn't made by 12 year olds on the internet... i.e. various Sonic the Hedgehog characters in crudely drawn X-Rated situations.


    But yeah... I guess people can use this to say how stupid commercials that aren't promoting financially risky garbage and get thin quick heart stoppers... :o
     
  10. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Most annyoying insulting commercial of all time (not including political ads which are in a class of their own)..."My wife...I think I'll keep her." (showing my age with that one!)
     
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, if we're gonna get on that then, I HATE those commercials that clearly rip-off The Office. The awkward pauses and extreme reality isn't the only thing to that show, you know. It's the drama and comedy intertwining and the wonderful cast of scarily realistic characters.

    And I also don't get those Trident commercials.... are they supposed to look like bad internet videos? I don't even watch REAL internet videos (minus Youtube Poop, of course.... as I do those).
     
  12. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    What's with all the "stupid men" commercials? As Target Women said, they're cool and sophisticated until they get married, then it's like their brain decided to ditch.
     
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of this sexist airhead a while back who tried to boycott that Multigrain Cheero's commercial (where the husband simply asks if his wife's trying to watch her wait, then she messes with his head about his question, while he was just mentioning he asked because of the things the box said) because he said men shouldn't be afraid of their wives, the wives should be afraid of their husbands.
     
  14. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Ah, you watch infoMania too?
     
  15. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    ^ Yep XD I can't help it, that segment is the best.
     
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dear GOD.... that is the most backwards bullcrap I have ever heard. I bet he really abuses his wife (if he has one). Probably a product of those truck ads. :eek: Monsters like that can marry women and toss them into violent, fear based marriages. Yeah... that's fair.

    Personally, I think it fits into one of those commercials that I'm talking about... women are brow beaten by the media to think that if they gain any kind of weight, no matter how old they are, how many kids they have, they have to drop it at once, and look like a super model 24/7. Then you can buy all the cereals and yogurts and not lose a single pound (maybe gain a couple) on these odd diets. I'd almost say that the commercial was an interesting twist on the idea of the women losing weight commercial... but the whole thing comes out stupid and painful to watch.

    I know a lot of kid's commercials have a gender divide (mainly toy commercials... G.I. Joes and Ninja Turtles for boys, Strawberry Shortcakes and Ponies for the girls.. and I know quite a few female TMNT fans)... but those are innocuous compared to the drivel grown adults are subject to. Again, men are emasculated into buying stuff, women are told they'd lose their looks (and possibly their men or their ability to get men) if they don't buy up gas guzzling status symbols and boxes and boxes of diet cereals respectively.
     
  17. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Misandry (or male bashing if you prefer that term) is nothing new in ads, movies, TV shows, etc. It's been around for a while, but really started picking up in the mid 1990s and it's been "trendy" for many ads (not to mention the staple of America's "Funniest" Home Videos).

    I made a post about it a while back:

    "I can't, absolutely CAN'T stand any commercial that continuously uses obvious misandry and calls it "comedy" to sell a product. The father (or any guy) is always portrayed as a brainless clod while the woman shows "brainless clod male" what to do, usually humiliating, emasculating and/or embarrassing him. Sometimes this is accompanied by the man getting hurt in the...well, you know.

    If the gender roles were reversed the ad companies would be in serious hot water! True, ads were offensive to women (and races in general) at one time, but merely switching the roles doesn't make the ads any funnier. Your regular Joe Blow is a person, too, and these commercials are everywhere.

    See what I mean?

    There was a Progressive Insurance commercial on a few years ago I don't think I can discuss here (this is a family forum after all and what happened to the guy in it was beyond unacceptable) but I was glad when it finally left the air."

    I miss when commercials used to be innovative, funny and sell a product at the same time. Doesn't hurt to have some awesome celebrity appearances, too.

    Here's a good example!

    Convincing John
     
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  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dude... I'd so totally take the brainless clod white male (the only group you can make fun of, and make extremely flawed without some cockamamie group whining about it- check it out), than half the truck commercials I've seen.

    I swear I remember seeing one that equated a modest, almost fuel efficient (more efficient than a truck) commercial with having toy poodles. I can't remember exactly what went down, but it was totally the most emasculating threat technique I've ever seen (not used by a Right Wing radio host :D snicker snicker).

    I stand by my initial complain. Kids only fear not being cool and not having the latest stuff. Adults fear multi-leveled concepts that play right at their deepest psyches. Men are afraid of not being manly, ultramasculine and all that, and women are afraid of not being attractive and not keeping or getting a man... in general, of course. And advertisers know that.

    On that subject, I hate those Lean Cuisine commercials that somehow hint that single women need men in their lives, and yet are too good for them at the same time. The women's commercials give such vicious mixed messages.

    (I wish I went to psychiatry school)
     
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  19. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    I agree with you there. I used to be a teacher, so I saw all this close up.

    The gender divide is evident in a lot of ads for kids...not all, (sugary cereals, amusement parks, etc.) but a lot of them.

    Then there are those commercials designed to be just plain disturbing. The weird Burger King tops 'em all, but I was so glad when they stopped showing that Quizno's Sub ad with those things that looked like mutilated mice. Didn't make me want a Quizno's sub, that's for sure. It just reminded me of something you'd find rotting in the mousetrap...yecch!

    Convincing John
     
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think the gender devide in kid's commercials is almost innocent, compared to what's going on with adults... I truly do. It's basically just for movies and toys and games and stuff. I do think they force gender roles... but nothing as harsh as the emasculation for adult male commercials or the spinster fear mongering and Pocrescophobia (fear of gaining weight). As I said, boys have to have G.I. Joes and Girls have to have Barbies. And frankly, other than Bratz inflicting kids to be vapid, suggestively dressed bimbos, I just don't see anything overly evil about it.
     

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