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Dead Puppets Society: Female Muppet Chapter

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by D'Snowth, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    We all know that Abby Cadabby was the result of trying to add a prominent female Muppet character to join the ranks of what's considered a mostly all-male club, however, over the years, there's been a number of different female Muppets that were added to the cast, especially throughout the 90s and 2000s, when more thought was given to consideration. During this time period, the likes of Zoe and Rosita have survived, but there are countless others who didn't... I guess you could say that the purpose of this thread is to compile something of a comprehensive list of female Muppets that they tried to add to the cast of SST, but ultimately ended up becoming a part of what Marty Robinson calls the "Dead Puppets Society". Off the top of my head, I can think of...
    • Elizabeth (Stephanie D'Abruzzo) A green AM girl from 1998 to 2001, with a slight New York accent; adored her pet kitten Sparkles (later Little Murray Sparkles, whom appears to be just a generic cat now). Retired/rejected possibly due to Stephanie's involvement with Avenue Q.
    • Lulu (Stephanie D'Abruzzo) Originally a blue monster with blonde hair, but later a lavendar monster with purple hair created by Stephanie to add a new female monster to the street. She was definitely dropped because of Stephanie's involvement with AQ.
    • Merry Monster (Joey Mazzarino) A little yellow monster with red, feathery hair, who had a soft and mousy voice, but could growl really really loudly. She was used throughout the 90s, though I hear tell people felt she was a little obnoxious.
    • Roxie Marie (Fran Brill) Biff's niece. I believe she was added a year or two before ATC came into play, but she was certainy phased out by Season 30.
    • Ruby Monster (Camille Bonara) A tomboyish orange monster who was on the street during the very late 80s through early 90s... most probably remember her from the Monsterpiece Theater presentation of "Guys and Doll".
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  2. andyf

    andyf Member

    I heard the reason Roxy Marie was created was to replace Sully. They were originally going to retire Sully when Richard Hunt passed away. Even tho Sully never talked, he was still Richard's charachter. So they wanted to give Biff a new sidekick. Sully did end up popping up a few times again in the mid and late 90's. I think altogether 3 times after Richard died. Biff was being used less and less as the 90's came to an end. So that's around the same time Roxy Marie was dropped. Some more discontinued female charachters were:

    Deena and Pearl: they were supposed to represent a female version of Ernie and Bert, and they lived in a cave together. Im not sure why they were dropped but i'm guessing it was because of Karen Prell no longer working on Sesame Street.

    Stella: She was a female construction worker who was around for only one Season. 1990-1991 She appeared in a handful of episodes but was quickly dropped from the show.

    Mona: Telly's sister who was around for a few seasons in the early 80's. Not sure why she was dropped from the show. But she can be seen in a plaza sesamo insert with Ernie and Bert. Her and Telly both were also in one of Kermit's newsflash skits on what to do on a rainy day.
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  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I didn't know that about Roxie Marie, but it does kind of make sense, I know there's been discussion before of just about anybody could really play Sully since Sully never even spoke, but at the same time, he WAS Richard's character, so yeah...

    And now that you mention it, Deena and Pearl could have also been dropped partly because of Brian Muehl's departure, because I know once he left, they pretty much scrambled to find replacements for his characters.

    And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't "Mona" later become Ingrid?
  4. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Anybody remember Elmo's cousin from one of the "Slimey on the moon" episodes? I know she was only in that episode, but I'd still like to mention her. I remember seeing her as a kid and thinking, "why is this Elmo look-a-like bouncing around so much?".
  5. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Er, that would be Mimsy, :laugh:'s cousin.
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  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Would Alice Snuffleupagus count? I don't even remember the last time I ever saw her on the street.
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  7. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    The latest time I saw Alice Snuffleupagus was in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade in 2008.
    Since the following year's parade, Alice hasn't been seen in the float.
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    What about her appearances on the show? Anyone remember when she was last seen on the street with her big brother?
  9. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    I know that that latest time Alice appeared in a street scene was in Episode 3874 (Season 31) where Alice was interrupting Big Bird and Snuffy singing the Alphabet song.
  10. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Wasn't there an episode in the early 2000's where BB & Snuffy were trying to find the owner of a baby shoe & tried Alice? Thats the last time I saw her.

    That said, I really want Roxy to make a comeback,lol.
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, maybe Matt Vogel can do Biff now, and that would at least give us a reason to bring Roxy back.

    On that same token, I think Lulu had just a LITTLE more potential... if anything, she had some rather interesting chemistry with Cookie Monster... but then again, it seems like Prairie Dawn's got things covered in that department anymore.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really wish Stephanie did more for the character of Elizabeth. She's the one Muppet I have NO problem saying I hate (her and Miss Mousey, but to be fair, they didn't give Mousey a heck of a lot of character development, but did give her an ugly design and 17th century clothes to wear). Like I said before, the character was basically doing the same schtick as Humphrey and Ingrid, only with a cat instead of a baby, and not over the top enough to be funny. She was like a completely lobotomized version of Elmyra, if anything. And the cat didn't seem to mind her smothering love, which kinda takes the joke out of an overenthusiastic cat owner.

    But Lulu is kinda a shame. She had the potential to be a weird and wacky female character, but as her puppeteer left for Broadway, the character faded out.

    I also feel the need to bring up Betty Lou. She's amazing in the fact that she barley was on Sesame Street as a named character. For the most part she was "little unnamed girl in sketch about generic little girl." Then when they gave her a personality, they gave her the stock "energetic Tom Boy" clearly to counteract Prairie's oh so precious, precocious little girl character. Except for the fact that Prairie is a caricature of that, and the only sane woman (I got really addicted to TV tropes BAD), making Prairie a funny character.

    Lemme put it this way... Here's the parody of Olivia Newton John's Let's get Physical:

    The official title is "Exercise with Grover," Grover being a background singer, in a sea of unnamed AM's sure, but a background singer. By the end of the song, he's in the far background. He doesn't even get over-exasperated and faint. That's how unpopular on the show Betty Lou is....


    She's in much more merchandise than Prairie is in. She even had one of the coveted 35th anniversary Gund plush toys instead of Prairie, a popular character. That's like making Simpsons toys, and passing over Lisa Simpson for Janie.
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  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    One of these days, when he least expects it, I'm going to submit some Elizabeth/Miss Mousy slash on deviantART, just to see what kind of reaction Drtooth has.

    Unfortunately, in doing that, I'll probably be charged as an accessory to self-inflicted manslaughter.
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  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If by Slash, you mean
    And having him punch both of them in the snoot, I'm all for it.
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  15. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I wonder what's going to happen to Ovejita now that the hosting format seems to be going .would she work in street scenes or will they just get rid of her?With a little development she could potentially be an interesting character. Although it could be a bit limiting as she doesn't speak english.Maybe Rosita could translate for her. Anyways,they are certainly filling the gap with female muppets with Prairie Dawn finally being incorporated back into the show and Segi being added to the cast.

    Here's some old Muppets I don't think anyone has mentioned yet: In 1980 the show introduced Mona Monster who was Telly's older sister.Yes that's right,Telly had a sister. She only appeared a few times before disappearing.

    Four years later the same puppet was reused as a one-off character in a song called "New Baby" which also used the puppet who would eventually become Natasha and the puppet who would become Humphry,Natasha's dad, as the mother.

    In 1986 another monster named Juliet was introduced as Telly's good friend.They used the exact same puppet as the one they used for Telly's sister Mona. After around 1990 or 91 Juliet was quietly retired. Two years later the exact same puppet was reused once again as Ingrid,Baby Natasha's mom.
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Strangely, Ovejita was still on the Thanksgiving Day parade float. No Murray, not even by a different puppeteer, but she was still there.

    Makes me wonder if they just grabbed a bunch of available puppets before the parade (since certain popular characters were missing), or they plan to keep the character around without Murray, or just the most obvious "we spent a crapload for this puppet and we're going to get our money's worth in spite of logic" as they are one to do.
  17. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    They may use her as an AM animal like they have with Chicago the Lion or Davey and Joey Monkey. Although she may not work as a generic sheep because she's purple rather than normal sheep color.
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  18. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Grundgetta was a relatively major figure from about the late eighties until around 2008-ish. Wonder why they use her less these days. I liked her because she showed people that girls can have a lot in common with their male counterparts (Oscar).Men and women are more alike then some want to believe and while we do have some differences we can still like many of the same things. She also showed that girls don't have to be happy all the time,there's a lot of pressure for females to be likeable when males can often say and do whatever they want and get away with it.:grouchy:
  19. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I think Leslie Mostly and Flo Bear never worked because they were so darn boring. What do you guys think about these characters?
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't even remember Leslie Mostly, but Flo Bear I always mistook for Mama Bear anyway, so, eh, I don't think much of her either way.

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