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Deja vu all over again

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by newsmanfan, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    Whoa....are we still talkin' 'bout Smiley Sarah? "Better when raised as SLAVES"?

    WHAT???

    I haven't heard that one. I DID hear about the Repubs trying to screw the military they profess to adore by cutting recruitment funding in the House, all because of the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell"! Yet another example of them not actually wanting progress of ANY kind, and merely being rejectionists. I saw over the weekend that Obama couldn't get Boehner to agree to one massive deficit-reducing deal BECAUSE IT WOULD TAX THE RICH
  2. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    .....sheesh...Typing so fast my fingers slipped. Not really awake yet...

    Anyway. Made me even more disgusted with the supposedly "moderate" Speaker of the House. How can anyone pretend to be moderate and still kiss up to the Tea Party and the corporate pigs? Makes me wonder how far HIS nose is stuck in the trough. Please, oh pretty please with intelligent constituents on top, get every single moron blocking a fair budget out of office next term -- or earlier! Can we impeach people for being proze horses' rears?
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  3. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Here's a fun fact.

    Everyone's FAAAAAVORITE republicans Ronald Reagan and W Bush raised the debt limit multiple times when they were in office, and the Reps gladly let them. But now they just want to see how hard they got Obama (the REAL Moderate Republican in all this) by the short hairs and let them get away with murder until they con the American people to have another one of them in charge year after next.

    Now the Greed Only Party is saying they've sacrificed soooo much already in the budget talks (yeah... boo hoo) and just by actually being there. They haven't blinked on a single tax increase for the wealthiest 1% (whom I must add DID NOT CREATE A SINGLE JOB with their tax handouts). THEY'RE sacrificing?

    hey... didn't the right try to sucker people against the Health Care reform by saying it would eliminate Medicare? And look! They're doing it themselves. We really got snowed, didn't we?

    Nah, it's basically the same pageant bimbo, Michelle Bachmutant! Yeah, you aren't the wealthy loving racist bigotoed tools everyone says you are...:skeptical:
  4. heralde Well-Known Member

    Ugh, that statement was horrible. It's annoying how hostile people are to single parents. There's no one formula that will guarantee the best family. It's the individual people that make the difference.

    That statement is also highly insensitive when you think of how slaves' families were often cruelly separated by the masters.

    And sometimes, heh, the master was the father. Though I somehow doubt he would have stepped up...
  5. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The scary thing is people who she appeals to will still agree with her no matter what dark, sinister, backwards thing she said. I remember when McCain made idiotic light jokes about bombing Iran, a lot of people said "Yeah! That's a good idea!" Man, I'm glad someone who took war so lightly didn't become president. There'd be a huge crater in the US because if we bombed them, they'd've bombed BACK!

    Michelle is a loonatic fringe candidate that appeals to people even less informed than she is. I mean, it's bad enough the right wants to give the rich even more of OUR money. When they get taxed less, it's OUR burden... and local governments have to create wacky taxes and increase ones they already have to make up for it. Over here, our sales tax increased to 6.25 percent, our meal taxes shot up to 7 percent, all to make up for the budget that everyone's favorite wingnut presidential candidate Mitt Romney bungled and flubbered while trying to get the nomination for the 2008 election. (that's right! He ditched the state he won, bad mouthed the moonbat liberals that GOT HIM ELECTED and left us with huge debts that we've been flustered to fix for years).... if that wasn't bad enough, seems they're limping away on the "We hate Gays and various types of Brown people! Vote for us, bigots!" card YET again. yeah... you guys SURE came a LONG way since the Bush administration that you pretend to hate.
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  6. heralde Well-Known Member

    I'm still not sure she'd win. I've been hearing some people who otherwise support Michelle say that though she's a good speechmaker, she lacks experience.

    Still, that didn't exactly stop us in the last election. ;)
  7. outerelf Active Member

    Well, actually, we need to stop raising the ceiling now- a lot of financial advisers (Not that I trust them that much) agree that once you get into debt three times your income it's impossible to get out of it. You'd have to get a lot of help.

    And neither side have been making that good of money decisions :/ The Republicans want tax breaks for the rich, and then the Democrats want to allow Illegal Aliens to piggyback on taxpaying middle-class.

    Either way, the middle-class is screwed. It doesn't matter who wins.
  8. heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's pretty much a guarantee either way, lol.
  9. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    What financial advisers are you listening to? I wouldn't listen to that quackery.

    This isn't some Suzy Orman "stop buying pairs of shoes you never wear" financial advice, the entire world economy is on the line. If the debt ceiling isn't raised and we default on our loan, the results could be catastrophic. To say the least, our money would be further devalued, thousands of jobs could be lost... and recession nothing... we'd be dangerously close to another Great Depression. And who would suffer the most? Why, the working class again. No matter how much money the bog companies lose, they always manage to embezzle what's left, blame the employees and run off to Rio.

    It's in the interest of NO ONE to default on this loan. Especially since the Republican C-block let the debt ceiling raise with no problem 5 times when Bush sent us into Iraquistan with NO REVENUE raised.

    The problem with Reaganomics isn't JUST that they give corporations welfare and refuse to tax them... it's spending a fortune on military while letting schools, fire departments, police departments, public parks, and projects that HIRE people go without, even have money taken from them. That happened under Bush. Our schools were unfunded, our police had to be laid off (which leads to MORE crime, and less safety, BTW), and even though they were the heroes of 9/11, fire houses had to close at an alarming rate.
    And neither side have been making that good of money decisions :/ The Republicans want tax breaks for the rich, and then the Democrats want to allow Illegal Aliens to piggyback on taxpaying middle-class.

    Plus, you lose me on the whole "Illegal Aliens" crap. That was a polarizing partisan wedge issue created so that no one was looking when OUR jobs were being taken overseas. I can't believe a lot of hot air loudmouths were saying "Illegal Mexicans are Takin' yer jerbs!!!" all the while saying "Outsourcing is good because a lightbulb costs 2 cents less now." If anything, the Dems screw up the budget with Pork projects. And even then, they wouldn't be so bad if they created jobs... but any job would be erased due to rampant nepotism and favoritism. Of course, at LEAST they stood up for minimum wage increases when the right used hokum about the very same small businesses they deny tax cuts to. If we're going tax and spend, at least tax means most of it is paid for. Look at Clinton. He left us with a surplus.

    I'd tend to agree more with the "we're both screwed" if we actually had a third party WORTH electing. I've been saying this for years... they're unfocused, they appeal to extremes, and even in the best case scenario, they just take votes away from another party. Of course, if Ron Paul grew a freakin' pear and ran for independent or something, he would get a sizable amount of votes... but everyone's hero Ron decided to quietly cower to his dark lords and refused to interfere with Boss McCain's campaign, even though he's more traditional conservative than ANY of those neoconvicts that run the Repo-blican party. I don't agree with what all he says, but he had the guts to stand up against BOTH wars Bush bullied the American public and politicians into loving so much that left us in this mess.
  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I might as well add that all this politics and polarizing of the country so we don't see who's REALLY the problem is giving me freaking ulcers. I think I'm just gonna find a place else to go, this is cartoony, and everyone's a bleeding caricature.
  11. heralde Well-Known Member

    You do know that other countries have corrupt politicans too, right? Hehe ;)
  12. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But their economies are BETTER!
  13. heralde Well-Known Member

    But they do have other problems that polarize. ;)

    And as for the economy, that depends on where you go!
  14. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wanna live so
    I wanna live somewhere where money is WORTH something!

    But that's besides the point. It doesn't matter which party is the lesser evil, or if both parties are equally bad... NO ONE has the right to try to make a president fail. If a president fails the whole country fails. Heck, I wish that Bush's wars were a smash success and proved all the liberals wrong! Much better than being stuck in the same places for over a decade that we gave a helping hand to. I don't like the fact that the current president had to spend our way out of debt, but I don't like the fact, or the reasons we're in debt in the first place... and that's the blatant imaginary idealist concept of "trickle down theory." Disnosaurs explained it right... sometimes rich people have so much money in their pockets that it falls out. BAH! And the government isn't ALL to blame here... it's big business. They WANT to destory the middle class and just get the government to pay their CEO's directly. That's Corporate Socialism. That's not capitalism.

    But still, people are DUMB enough to think this is the right way. We PAY the salaries of CEO's with our consumerism (which is how things SHOULD be done) but we also pay them with OUR TAXES to bribe them to do their work (the way that's wrong and killing us). Even the commie countries got Capitalism down better than us.
  15. heralde Well-Known Member

    Lol, oh the irony. ;)
  16. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Irony nothing... we GAVE them jobs. We TOLD them how it works! China's kicking our butts, yo! And all the wars we fight supposedly for oil? Who gets said oil? China!

    Anyway... you know how I mentioned Michelle Bachmutant? Well, it's coming out she made her money running a dangerous "make me not be gay" therapy business.... that accepts MEDICAID!

    WOW!

    This and word that some of them made money off of farm subsidies. Is there any one of those small government Tea Pity politicians that DOESN'T get money from Uncle Sam? Talk about irony/hypocrisy/travesty.
  17. heralde Well-Known Member

    "My country 'tis of three, sweet land of subsidy!"
    ---Doonesbury
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  18. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I will say this... with all this stuff coming out about Rupert Murder Murdock manipulating the system in Britain, maybe people will wise up about where they get their news...

    but then again, that's not gonna happen.

    Meanwhile, I'm renaming the toilet an "Eric Cantor."


    EEggg... I gotta take a wicked Cantor right now.
  19. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    I was at a client's home this past week, helping him take his meds, and he had MSNBC on in the background on TV. I heard some woman ranting about the most outrageous nonsense about gays, and I made some snide comment about Palin. "Oh, no, that's not Palin," sez my client. "That's Michelle Bachman." I stared at him. "What?" I exclaimed. "There's TWO of 'em??" He just grinned.

    Here's a fun link for you guys. The "Prayer Forum" makes me wonder which other governors actually attended. Doesn't surprise me that Tex-a** would subsidize this sort of thing. Uh, hello, separation of church and state, anyone? Although I always did think Oprah's minions were a little frightening, hee hee...

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/43734392#43734392

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  20. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I finally figured out why the right keeps getting taken seriously...

    They have the BEST freaking marketing firm on the planet. They keep renaming and redefining things to dupe the American public. Their biggest new thing is renaming the exceedingly disgustingly wealthy as "Job creators."

    Wow.

    Too bad they don't actually create jobs, but we'd all like to think that giving them more money and more favors will do that, right?
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