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Disgusting Muppet illustration - Make your thoughts known

Discussion in 'On the Web' started by Jennifer Beth, Jul 18, 2002.

  1. The Gobeek

    The Gobeek Active Member

    That cartoon is awful! I just can't even imagine that people would be so upset. It is a muppet and it is sesame street! Those women need to get a life.
  2. Ernie101

    Ernie101 Well-Known Member

    they need to there freaks they should rot i think it is appauling that osme freakos would draw something that long and its a kids show.If i worked for sesame workshop or henson productions i would be somad at them what they have dont is not only a disgrace to our country but a discrace to me and muppet fans all over!
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    one cartoonists opinion

    Okay, not only was the cartoon mindlessly inflammatory it wasn't funny. This was some dude (with third grade drawing skills) attempting to be clever and totally missing the issue.

    If the cartoonist really wanted to make an informed satire strip they could have depicted Muppets with different diseases like cancer and MS or maybe even include a same-sex couple (all of this would still be in bad taste but it would at least make sense). This crude sketch only exposed an obvious bigotry.
  4. uncleduke

    uncleduke Well-Known Member

    My Response

    here is the letter I sent to them
    "Do I like your cartoon? No, I do not. Your obvious illusion that HIV is limited to sexual deviants is so amazingly outdated, it defies description.
    It is a shame, since you are a relatively talented artist, that you choose to pander to the basest of fears and prejudices.
    I think the fact that Henson has chosen to include an HIV positive muppet in the South African edition of Sesame Street is wise. Since the disease is rampant there (and I am pretty sure that transvestitism and Bondage are relatively rare), it is important for kids to be educated about the disease.

    PS The detail on Sado is very nice, the zipper on the mask is an excellent touch, where did you get yours? I could never wear one like that, I am afraid it would get caught in my beard, I assume you do not have that
    problem with yours.[/b]

    OK, actually I chickened out on the PS... But I did send the rest.
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Good job! Except for calling him talented. But you might reach him with a bit of flattery.
  6. JamieDenny

    JamieDenny Well-Known Member

    We all Know what I think :)

    Hmm the thing that has surprised me about all of this is that we haven't had a peep out of the usual suspect Fred Phelps. I just checked out his website to see if anything was said. Nothing.
    By the way those of you that are wondering why I check out his sight it boils down to two things. 1. I like to know what the senile fool and his rabid follwers are up to. 2. Everytime I read it it makes me angry, then I laugh both at him for writing the stuff he writes and me for getting het up about it in the first place.
    But I digress back to the 'Women Who Are Slightly To The Right Of Attila The Hun Foundation' or whomever they are, what people don't get is that behind the semantics of each name lurks a very diffrent organisation to what you expect. I'd hate to see the hard working women of America spending their dollars because they do feel a genuine concern about what happens in the USA, so what I'm suggesting is an awarness campaign much like Sesame Streets with Aids only this one will be a CWE awarness campaign providing information about what these people are all about.
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    'Women Who Are Slightly To The Right Of Attila The Hun Foundation'

  8. Struble

    Struble Well-Known Member

    Oh my goodness. That's really a terrible drawing. And the colouring is even worse.

    Look at the inconsistant lightsources on the characters. Pervie's head is lit from the right, yet is his body is lit from the left. (Same with Sado) Then look at Mr. Lady... Not only does he/she have a completely different lightsource, but it appears to be lit from the front, and back-lit at the same time.

    Not only is that offensive, it's really horribly done. Looks to be done by a kid who |didn't| grow up on Sesame Street. Their parents must of raised them watching the 700 Club, instead.

  9. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    FYI - "Concerned Women of America" is hardly a "women's group" in that even though its members are of the female gender, their whole raison d'etre is to try to show that not all women support the idea of feminism/equal rights. Like most "morality groups" (ie "Focus on The Family", "Family Research Council" or "Parents Resource Center"), their name was chosen to make them seem like something they're not, hiding their ultimate agenda.

    Obviously i don't think much of the cartoon itself but in its context - a politcal cartoon on a political site used to illustrate the organization's position - i don't believe it should be censored. (I also don't believe that being a political cartoon that it would fall into the category of "copyright infringement" for reasons already well stated by others. However, a case could better be made for slander or libel.)

    I know it's very easy to get mad at the cartoonist. But in all honesty, the illustrator is really just a puppet (no pun intended) to the board of the organization as the views it's chosen to espouse. If you want to get angry at anyone, get angry at those who want to distort the basic facts of "South African Sesame Street introducing an HIV+ character to teach about how it's okay and safe to be friends with an HIV positive person" and deliberately twisting the facts to scare the general public into supporting one of its longtime goals: the dismantling of public television. What's really sad is (at best) the heads of these organizations who raise the fuss read the original sources and rereport the news to its followers stating the opposite. I realize that i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt of being able to read the original facts and later distorting them to serve their cause as opposed to not even being able to comprehend what was pretty clearly stated to begin with themselves - but if that worst-case scenario is indeed the case, it speaks volumes that Sesame Street would be on their hitlist - something that teaches children to read better than they themselves are able to.

    CWA and like groups have chosen the South African character as a scapegoat to denounce matters of no direct relevance here in the States to further their goals. Unable to gain support with logical facts, they prey on people's fears relying on situations like this to get people up in arms by trying to shout their lies louder than the facts so what begins as a statement by Sesame that "there are no plans to bring the character to USA Sesame and even in South Africa Sesame, it will be done age-appropriately and not talk about sex" becomes "ATTENTION AMERICAN PARENTS - WE'VE WARNED THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND NOW IT IS - SESAME STREET HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY SEXUAL PERVERTS AND IS GETTING A MUPPET WITH AIDS WHO WILL BE TRYING TO TEACH YOUR YOUNG CHILDREN SEX EDUCATION!" The cartoon itself is merely an accessory to the overall mission. As purely a propaganda tool, it's quite well done because in addition to getting people upset as Sesame Street, it also tries to get the viewer to believe/accept CWA's views that an HIV positive person - even a child that was born with it - equals overall sexual deviancy. The cartoon does just what it's supposed to do. Therefore, rather than shoot the messenger, if you're angry with the cartoon, you should be upset with the atmosphere from and the goals of those who are trying to turn a responsible overdue attempt to tackle a severe problem in South Africa into fundraising fodder for their own local political agenda.
  10. uncleduke

    uncleduke Well-Known Member

    That is why I qualified it "Relatively Talented"
    How talented is up to your own definition. He/She is very talented at being a myopic bigot!
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    LOL! I certainly agree with that.

    It's funny that we tend to disbelieve the prejudice that was decades before us when such blatant ignorance is still right under our noses. Maybe the next generation will grow up with less hatred - I certainly hope so. But some people will always find something to hate others for no matter how silly.
  12. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    Well said DW!
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    IS the cartoon in question the one I saw on the site?(badly done cgi looking stuff?) It doesnt even look at all like anything we know! Also, this is supposed to be a Woman's site? Forgive the pun, but I think this is actually a puppet front for a man related
    agenda from the looks of the articles.

    I agree with DW's comments. Hmmm. Well, I just knew that news would cause an uproar sadly(the original news from a couple weeks ago from south africa)
  14. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    These sorts of political groups are usually run by men. There are tons of organizations like this out there, but when you really get into it, they are all very closely related with (generally speaking) the same group of men running all of them. Or at least involved in all of them.

    Same is true for the other side. With so much political apathy in the US, it isn't real surprising that it is a small number of politically charged folk, on both sides of the spectrum, who are doing most of the active work. In fact, as vicious as the debate can be, the main players in the two sides of the abortion debate all know each other by name. (Note: I am NOT trying to open up that can of worms here, I am simply using it as an example of how small the American political playing field is because I happen to have inside knowledge on it.)
  15. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Hey Anika,

    LOL - we've actually had the abortion debate on the old forum, in the much talked about, 'Muppets and Christianity' on the old forum. I'm not sure if you were around here at that time but you should go take a look, it was very similar to how this thread has gone actually !
  16. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Well it was supposed to cause uproar - one of their aims would be to raise public awareness, it'd be silly for them not to have forseen people worry about if this Muppet will come to the states.
  17. Ernie101

    Ernie101 Well-Known Member

    OMG, I laughed for about 30 mins. when I came across my post. I feel like I have changed so much. You can actually understand my posts now...er...can't you?
  18. That Announcer

    That Announcer Well-Known Member

    Sounds to me like ol' Bill O'Reilly. What a weirdo.

    Let me express my views on most of the stuff mentioned here in a short essay. I personally am a libertarian, the only one in my school. I have read many political books, and have watched many political talk shows. I often find the conservative arguments weak and understated, oddly like Al Franken's "eleven things Sean Hannity knows" bit in "Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them" in that too many just restate the same things over and over again. I've seen many conservatives lie and alter facts to match their agenda. Most of the time, what I have seen is basically bad losers yelling at people to know they'll win the argument. I've not often seen a conservative go way over the line. I've seen Bush do this a few times; I've seen Sean Hannity go nuts, and Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly have gone mental a few times there. But never before have I seen a conservative bigoted argument stretched to such disgusting lengths as with this cartoon.

    Let me express my distaste for this cartoon. I find it to be not a satire at all (like what Bill O'Reilly and often Al Franken do), but rather a hardnosed jab at the Henson Company for putting out a Muppet that doesn't fit the WASP bill. So rather than writing a letter expressing their feelings on this new Muppet to the Henson Co., they put out an extremely offensive, distasteful cartoon that numbs the brain. This is the worst possible way that they could have done this.

    I am awestruck at the notion that people would accept this. I don't know what the women were smoking when they decided to put this cartoon out, but it must have been pretty powerful. What I find to be worst about this cartoon is that it implies that if you have HIV, you are a sickie. I know a guy who has the AIDS virus. Freddie Mercury, one of the greatest singers of all time, died of it. There is no reason to be so unattentive to the millions of people who do have AIDS, and the millions of others who know and loved someone who died of it. There is no reason to do that.

    I do support free speech. I've said numerous times that I curse quite a bit, and am not one to attempt to stifle free speech. But the least that this group could do is to become a little more respectful and learn to accept diversity. Many, many conservatives that I know have indeed learned to tone down their ways. My uncle Ron, for example, is a conservative who would never do something like that in a million years.

    I cannot give any support to this group. I just can't muster up any. Sorry folks, but that's just sad that some people still exist that are practically bigots. :sympathy:

    *cough* So, I was watching Fraggle Rock last night...

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