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Do Bowie and Connelly really dislike Labyrinth?

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by minor muppetz, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Lately I've been a little addicted to the TV Tropes website. Anyway, there's one trope, "Old Shame", which refers to works where people involved are ashamed, sometimes to the point of trying to hide them from the fans.

    In the "film" section for Old Shame, which can be found here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/OldShame/Film it says that David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly are not big fans of Labyrinth, and states that they get embarrassed when their kids watch the movie with them.

    Now, this website encourages fans NOT to site their sources, but this is the first I've read of such information. Have there been any official sources out there that confirm their embarrassment, maybe an interview or something? I feel like I've seen a recent interview with Connelly where she seemed to talk positively about the movie, but I'm not really sure. The Muppet Wiki pages for the actirs say nothing about their feelings about this film.
  2. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Bowie is basically a shut-in these days. Connelly talked about Labyrinth recently on a talk show, and it wasn't anything negative. I've never read a derogatory statement from Bowie or Connelly about the film, although they probably view it like it is: early work from younger versions of themselves. Connelly was only fourteen! And David Bowie has handled heavier work, like Pontious Pilate in Last Temptation of Christ.
  3. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    I don't know, from everything I had seen/read, both really liked it...but you never know, there is a chance that over time their opinions could have changed.

    It also depends what exactly is being pinpointed. There's a difference between not liking the overall movie and not liking your performance in it. And even if that would be clear on this, it is still something that is extremely easy to misinterpret.
  4. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Hmm, in all the interviews I've seen with Jennifer Connelly and David Bowie, the tone has been quite the opposite. They both seemed to really have enjoyed working on the film. Then again, I don't know how current they are. Well, Jen's was more current. I think I know the one Hubert is referring to and mention of the film was met with quite a warm reception. That's interesting.
    And by interesting I mean probably hogwash! Seems like something was taken out of context to me. ^_^
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Here's the exact quote on the website:
    "David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly aren't too big of fans of Labyrinth. Both of them even get uncomfortable (in Bowie's case) or embarrassed (in Connelly's case) when their children are watching the film"

    Of course, as I said earlier, the website doesn't cite sources, and I've seen somewhere on the site that actually encourages not showing sources. Who knows who wrote that piece of info or where they got it.

    This same page also notes another "old shame" I question: Michael Richards considering his role in UHF a touchy subject, despite doing the DVD commentary. On the commentary for that movie he seemed to have enjoyed being part of it. I wonder if maybe whoever provided that info was thinking about Fridays; I've read that the only reason that show's not on DVD is because Michael Richards won't allow permission for his footage released.
  6. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Right, also like I said before, the person who wrote that may have easily misinterpreted whatever source they used...whether they were referring to the film or their performances. And also they could even feel uncomfortable or embarrassed because it is an odd situation for them for their kids to be watching younger versions of their parent.
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  7. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    I agree. I have a feeling its more something like this. ^_^
  8. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    This whole example just seems like a perfect case of what havoc can be released if uncited sources are encouraged. What would be the justification for that? Seems like anyone could just post the most ridiculous rumors/falsehoods about anything and have it taken as gospel...
  9. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I remember watching a clip of Behind the Actors Studio and Connelly said wonderful and nice things about Jim and her experience on Labyrinth which was nice. This was of course the question after being asked about her various (*cough*) scenes in lots of movies, saying that she didn't feel comfortable but she wanted to be taken seriously as an actress. Kind of sad though.

    In my opinion that Labrynth was the only creative and decent film she was ever in, everything else she was in just seemed kind of nasty to put it in a clean way.

    I wonder if she did that stuff before of after Labyrinth.

    But yeah, I'm not sure if those are actually true, lots of sites like that seem to exaggerate and pass it around. It must be rough being a celebrity without starting a rumor. All they have to do is sigh then boom, headline front page "Celebrity hated whatever". lol
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've read that Labyrinth was her first acting role, so it would have been after.

    This thread kind of reminds me of her acceptance speech when Jennifer Connelly got her first (and only?) Oscar. With all her happy crying, I kept thinking, "She's not acknowledging her work in Labyrinth???" Yeah, back then I was thinking too much about it, and taking it a bit too personally that she wasn't talking about Labyrinth when accepting an award for a different movie.
  11. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's a shame. Especially the fact that Labrynth was her first lead role. And Jim Henson giving her that operationally. I would take that personally too myself. lol For example, Jim have Frank Oz his first directing operationally with co-directing The Dark Crystal which lead to where Frank is today (though I'm not sure if he's still directing movies or if he's just retired all together now except cameo rules on Sesame Street) but anyway whenever Frank wins an award or is interviewed, 90% of the time, he would mention how Jim got him where he was today. If he didn't have the oppertunaties directing and also The Muppets, I've heard he would have been a journalist. OH MY GOD, could you imagion! lol Anyway, I like seeing that. When people remember wonderful things Jim did for them, the oppertunaties and even creative freedom. It truely brings out Jim Henson's legacy. :)
  12. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    I maintain the article is misrepresenting something that Jennifer Connelly or David Bowie said. It's easy to take something out context and put whatever spin you want on it.
    For all we know, this is just some kind of 'telephone' syndrome.
    I wouldn't worry about it at all. ^_^ They're wrong by any account I've seen.
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There is a difference between Oz and Connelly, though. Oz had worked with Jim Henson for many years and is/was one of the few Muppet performers who even the general public would know the name of (I think this was even the case before he started his directing career), while Connelly only worked with Henson once (in addition to appearing in a Muppet Magazine to promote the film), albeit it's her first film role.

    And I'm pretty sure Oz isn't retired from directing, though it seems it's been forever since he last directed a film (I think I've heard that he's directed a play recently). Though it seems he's only directed a handful of movies since his last Muppet performance.

    Years ago I think I brought this up and somebody mentioned that production on one film could take a number of years (well, pre-production if it's live-action... I couldn't imagine a live-action film actually taking more than a year to shoot and can't imagine one being released years after filming ended), but then I saw an interview with Frank Oz where he basically said that he didn't need the money bad enough to direct a film with a terrible script (nevermind the fact that he could help make the film better by the time it comes out... Thinking back on this, maybe it's not surprising he judged The Muppets script by seeing one draft). And then I saw an interview where he mentioned that he has four daughters and had trouble balancing out being a performer, director, and spending time with his family (the same basic reason Brian Meehl swithced from performing to writing), and pointed out that he didn't really aspire to be a puppeteer in the first place. So I guess if he's not involved with a movie he's spending more time with his family.

    It's interesting how Oz will often discuss his Muppet career along with his directing career, and apparently many reviews of his films mention his Muppet past, but the descriptions on the video boxes never point out that the director had performed with the Muppets.
  14. Plaid Fraggle

    Plaid Fraggle Well-Known Member

    As long as I like Labyrinth...don't give a care :p Haha. Interesting to hear, though, but that's about it--the context thing really is key!
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  15. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    I'd like agree with this 100%, Plaid, and I almost do except that if that HAD been true (which I will say again, I highly doubt) it would get under my skin. It's always in bad taste when an actor rags on their own movies in a non-loving way. There will always be horrible first films but they pave the way for them.
    Obviously, I don't think Labyrinth qualifies as a terrible film because it's quite clever and kooky. I love it! I think a lot of people do. But let's just say that it HAD been one of those schlockmeisters, I would still hope they would have come away with it with a good attitude. Laugh, at least!
  16. VP Weirdo

    VP Weirdo Active Member

    In response to this trend I googled old interviews with Jennifer Connelly and found these quotes from 2001 when she was promoting A Beautiful Mind. When talking about how having a son has changed her the way she works we got this exchange:
    Has your son seen your films yet?
    No. He's seen the trailer for “A Beautiful Mind.” I think his dad showed him “Labyrinth” maybe, once. I wasn't there so I don't know what the reaction was. He saw the trailer and his response was, “You were really mean when you threw that glass at the mirror. Why did you do that?” Some of the movies that I've done recently have not been appropriate for him to see. And then a lot of the old movies, I would really rather not watch again, myself.
    Are you saying you don't want to watch “Labyrinth” anymore?
    No, I haven't seen that movie in a long time. I loved working on that movie. I loved everyone involved. It's funny looking at yourself. You know how it is when you look back at old pictures? It's just funny looking back at yourself walking and talking at age 14.
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  17. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    For some reason I have the feeling that that exact interview VP Weirdo quoted was probably the basis for the Connelly-half of the fact in question...it makes sense how it could have got interpreted/misinterpreted.
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  18. VP Weirdo

    VP Weirdo Active Member

    Yeah, I kind of thought the same thing.
    Certainly doesn't seem negative in context.
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  19. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Fantastic! Thanks for sharing that, VP. See that's exactly what I mean. You can take any statement and totally change the meaning of it when you take it out of context. What Connelly said there is exactly the kind of thing I've always heard her say.

    That's why in the media 'spin' is such an integral part of how you sell a story. SPIN is the thing, isn't it?
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I can't really understand what her "no" to not wanting to watch Labyrinth again is. Does she mean no as in she doesn't want to see that again, or no as in there's many old movies she would rather not watch again but Labyrinth is an exception? Confusing (and it's a shame we can't easily contact her on this subject).

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