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Elmo, Ready for Action! and his Overdominance

Discussion in 'Sesame Worlds' started by SSLFan, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Well, there was this Sesame Street Live show called Super Grover! Ready for Action.

    Now check this out:

    http://www.sesamestreetlive.com/storylines.asp

    They changed the name to Elmo! Ready for Action! Sure he has a major part in it, but the show's mainly about :super: ! In fact, EVERY show has Elmo's name on it! Is the red monster that popular! Honestly, the guys at VEE are selling out.

    Not to be disrespectful or anything, but the SSL shows aren't as good as they used to be in the 80's and 90's. It seems as if they're dumbing it down just like the tv show! The show has lost it's "magical" appeal in my opinion. Nothing seems the same.

    Then(1997/98):
    http://www.udel.edu/BCC/images/past/sesame_st7.jpg
    http://dmarie.com/LAYOUTS/011000/11955i.jpg
    http://dmarie.com/LAYOUTS/011000/11956i.jpg

    Now(2007):
    http://electronicjungle.net:8081/pictureAlbum/2007/august/800x600/IMG_3403.JPG

    This all may seem a bit crazy to you, but being real big fan of SSL shows, I just really miss the good ol' days of Sesame Street Live.:cry:
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I guess what they say is true: you just can't sell a Sesame product anymore these days without incorporating Elmo into it one way or another; it's like there were talks about how a DVD HAS to have Elmo on the front, even if he has little to do with what the DVD is about (The Sesame Street Christmas Carol was about Oscar, and Elmo was only in a few flashbacks, yet the cover of the DVD had Oscar AND Elmo).
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, welcome to SS post 1998. Those stupid little tickel toys kinda doomed us to Elmo oversaturization.

    I honestly couldn't be less surprised if I knew about it months in advance. You could actually see this coming.
  4. Krazedmuppet

    Krazedmuppet Active Member

    *cough* Elmo is evil *cough*

    I've already ranted this in another thread, and its a good day, so that's all I'm going to say
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    They always said they didn't want a host to hold the show hostage. Now that's exactly what's happened.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    This just furthers my mom's suspicion that Kevin Clash is a bit on the egotistical side.
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't think the performers have much to do with it, they generally don't have that kind of say. The people in charge of the show saw that the character was popular, they listened to certain child experts (not all of which I agree with), and they ran with it. And now they're stuck with it.
  8. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    This is just so overly out out of control.:p Their so big and in your face with it and it's like they have no shame.:rolleyes: Man, I like that character an everything and I think Kevin's doing a great job with him, but the overkill is enough to make you just not want to anymore, you know? It's like he's gone from a character on the show to just simply a brand only used to sell merchandise and nothing else. LOL!:scary:
  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well what's upsetting is that the way the character is, he can't possibly teach everything. It would make more sense to have a wider range of characters. The show was about diversity to begin with after all.
  10. Katzi428

    Katzi428 Well-Known Member

    My problem with Elmo (well...where do I start?:rolleyes: )
    OK...the BIGGEST one is that Elmo never uses pronouns. Like if he's going to do something (like go to Hooper's store),he says"Elmo's going to go to Hooper's store!" This doesn't teach little kids to talk correctly!

    Back in the 70s when I watched Sesame Street (I'm showing my age here,so please excuse me) the Muppets used correct language. (Well...a couple of times I heard Grover say "I, Grover." but that was few & far between)
    stepping off my soapbox Before an argument erupts in this thread & winds up being closed I have nothing more to say on the subject
    Thank you
    curtsying prettily like Prairie Dawn
  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Elmo apples to the younger kids and that is what he does best and if they want the younger kids comming to the show then they should put his name on the show.
  12. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I don't have an enormous problem with Elmo. I guess I'm able to tolerate him and appreciate him more than most people here, but I do agree that he is overused. I mean, it isn't the fact that he is used a lot, it's that he is used over other characters too much as the front runner.

    I believe Elmo has a purpose on the show, just as I believe all the other characters really do have a reason for being there. His speech never bothered me. Afterall, Cookie Monster has never spoken proper English either and we don't criticize him. It's part of his charm as a character. It also makes them real. Now, I'm not sure where Elmo's speech pattern came from. That would be an interesting thing to ask Kevin Clash about.
  13. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    I think that Elmo is a little too egotistical for my taste. I mean, he talks in a 3rd person all the time, seriously, who does that? I also think that if the show has NOTHING to do with Elmo, and it has to do with Super Grover, then it shouldn't have Elmo's name on it. That's just me, I agree with a lot of people here when I say that Elmo is really a little too much sometimes. They try and make him the only character on SS. Back in MY day, there were a lot of different characters, for a lot of different skits. Now, it's like Elmo doing all those skits and Elmo doing it all. I guess the only thing that makes me wonder is how all those letters and numbers got all that money to be sponsoring the show for 40 years. They must have some Oprah money or something.

    Daniel
  14. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    I don't have a problem with how he's used on the show as much as I do wish the enormous and unnecessary amount he's used in merchandise. It's as if the other characters are just there to be no more the background props and are totally over looked and ignored in favor of his face on a box of something.
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I just don't think it's teaching a great lesson. If you're a kid who doesn't happen to like Elmo (yes they do exist lol), you're not going to get as much out of the show at this point.
  16. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Maybe they'll have to start looking somewhere else, perish the thought.:cry: It's like he'll turn some kids away from the show.:smirk:
  17. erniebert1234ss

    erniebert1234ss Active Member

    More Elmo-milking. Please excuse me while I throw up. *barf*

    Okay, that's a bit better. Thank God my puke isn't red.

    BJ
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    The only way a perfomer has any control over how popular a character is would be the performance of making that character endearing. The problem stems from what you just said, not to mention the popularity of the TME dolls back in the 90's, which really spurred the Elmo-centric style of the show now.

    That said, You all know the real reason why Elmo speaks in 3rd person, right? The original version of the character was a lot more monstery than he is now. There are three kinds of Monster speak in SS/Muppet world. Correct English- Herry, Grover, Rosita (with correct Spanish as well), incorrect stitled English- Cookie Monster, Animal (he's not a monster, but he counts), and varying degrees of unintelligible mumbling- Two Head, Frazzle..etc. If you see Early Elmo skits, he had a Baby Monster stilted English speach. So that's pretty much the origen of his third person. With that one exception of speaking like that, his speach evolved to be more child like, and not so much monstery.

    That said, clearly Elmo is a marketting tool now. I wouldn't be shocked to hear more parents ask their 2 year old kid if they want to "watch Elmo" and not "watch Sesame Street." Stuck is indeed the word, herald. SW deep down wants to move away from it, hense why 2 episodes last season didn't feature Elmo's World. They wanted to see how kids would react without that segment. And they reacted badly. They wanted Elmo. It takes 2 groups to make something a phenomonon- the creators and the mass audience. The mass audience wanted Elmo, so they got it. Now SW is indeed stuck having to use Elmo as a marketting tool. And it really is a double edged sword.
  19. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Speaking of those two episodes, I thought it would have maybe tested better if Elmo was featured in those actual street stories than in just clips.
  20. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    It like I said before. it's Urkel all over again. Where I characters takes over a show form an ensemble casts and takes the focus off of everybody els. LOL!:p


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