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Elmo's World-free episodes don't go over

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by ssetta, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    Okay, as some of you may already know, there were two episodes this season (Season 38) that did NOT have Elmo's World. And I'm sure a lot of you were very excited, including myself. But apparently, it didn't go over. Those shows were tested with preschoolers, and when they watched it, they were all like "Where's Elmo's World? Where is it?" And they didn't like it. So, it doesn't look like they will be doing it again. At least, that's what I was told. So, I mean, it's good for the kids, but not for us classic fans.:( It's a bit of a shame, since I was really hoping for it.
  2. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Well, oh well.:smirk:
  3. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    That really isn't a surprise by me. I kept thinking that this won't even go over with kids now a days. But maybe we'll get something for us fans of the older days. It does make me mad that two episodes were made like that and then when kids are to watch it they hate it because of Elmo's World isn't there.

    But we do know that Sesame Street isn't made for us fans of the older days but for children that are learning to count, learn their alphabet and other stuff but we all know that we would love to see the older show come back with newer shows but be the same as it was.

    But in my mind i have hopes for Sesame Street in the future. So heres for you Sesame Street. Keep up all the good shows you've made over so many years. :) :p
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Elmo has brain-washed out children! AAHHHHHHHHH! ! !

    Just joking, lol!

    Anyway, I guess most children of the world still love Elmo right now... who knows, maybe one day kids actually might find themselves being appealed by someone else, like maybe Abby Cadabby, or Big Bird again...
  5. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    If children miss Elmo, they should bring him back. He annoys hardcore fans like ourselves because a) we didn't grow up with him, and b) the whole avoidance of personal pronouns thing. BUT the children of today ARE growing up with him, so of course they would be scandalized if he is gone. If Sesame Workshop thinks that Elmo actually helps kids learn, which they seem to, then he should stay regardless of whether we like him or not.
  6. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    I never said that they should get rid of Elmo altogether. And they wouldn't get rid of Elmo's World either. They just wouldn't have it in EVERY show. It was something they were going to work towards, and apparently, it was a failure. However, I wonder if this means that they will either take the 2 EW-less episodes out of the rotation, OR, they could edit them and put EW in them.
  7. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I don't mind if they keep Elmo's World on, I understand that kids enjoy it and that's fine. It's more how they remove the other characters that bothers me. The solution shouldn't be to cut out Elmo completely either, there should be a way to combine the old and new. To be honest, even if Elmo's World is popular, I don't believe it's as helpful to children. Elmo was a better character when he played off of the older characters.

    I think Sesame Street is sort of suffering from being a "broken home", the way the Muppets are. All the pieces aren't there anymore. I think things can improve, but it will take time.
  8. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I'm with you Ssetta. I don't want kids to not get to watch Elmo's World. I just want to have a little more episodes just like the two that were made in this years season. I like Elmo.

    There are sometimes tho i would love to see some street scenes with Ernie and Bert or Grover and Herry maybe. And i would love to see a whole episode with Ernie, Bert, Grover, Herry, Cookie, Zoe, Elmo, Murray, Big Bird, Snuffy, Telly, Rostia, Baby Bear, Abby, Oscar and others too. Or just a mix.

    Have Ernie come out and play with Grover or have Herry come out and have a day with Rostia and Abby. At least mix some older characters with some newer characters too. I've seen Zoe and Herry used together. Grover and Elmo before. Rosita and Herry.

    But i really can't care less whatever happens. I know that we the fans love what we grew up with and kids today will proubley grow up enjoying what they grew up with. So whatever happens to Sesame Street as i've said before i hope it's still around when i have kids. (if i ever find a girl)
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't want to say that we were naive to think that this was going to work, but....
    feel free to stop me, cuz you know where this is going.

    Firstly, I DID grow up with Elmo, but he wasn't all over the place. he was a popular character, sure. But he wasn't that big. It's not that I hate the character. I like Elmo. But not how they use him. I've said it before and I will say it again. I love Winne The Pooh, in reguards to the classic animated short films and the "New Adventures" cartoon. But I HATED when Disney exploited the character, and shoved him into everything to the point they weren't even making Mickey Mouse merchandise anymore. And Donald Duck? Forggeddaboudit!

    Elmo has every right to be on SS and interact with the characters. But Elmo's world... well..

    I couldn't agree more. Unless the kids are 2. And even then it can't be beneficial because they don't take anything out of it until they are 3. Elmo's World seems to me nothing more than an excuse to have cashed in off the character's popularity at the time. Unfortunately it stuck. I feel deep down, SW wants to keep us happy, even though we are not their target audience. They wanted to try it, and it failed. I give them that credit. But the kids just want what they want, beneficial or not, it has to stay.

    I've been lobbying for years that EW becomes its own sepperate show, while SS keeps its hour long run time. EW seems completely different from the show. It doesn't mesh well with the rest of the show.

    And I do agree we need to focus on more characters. I thought there was an appauling lack of Big Bird. Unless that's somehow on Carol or Matt's end (unavailability?), I was a little disappointed. We still get some great stuff with Telly and Baby Bear. And we finally got to see Abby really interract with the cast. But We really didn't have much of Ernie, much less Bert. Not too many new segments with Cookie. And we haven't had a Grover episode since last year.

    Then of course, a lot of other characters were lost due to the fact they were going in a direction that favored more filmed segments featuring real kids (used and new) this season. I really hope that tested poorly too.
  10. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    I actually somewhat like them using live-action films. Because some of the ones that were used this season have not been used in years. (Some of them hadn't even been used since Elmo's World debuted!) But I do agree that we didn't see as much of the older characters this season.

    But anyway, about Sesame Workshop not caring about us classic fans…I mean, they ARE doing those Old School box sets and stuff. Doesn't that count? Well, it does. I guess it's just that we want MORE than that.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The live action films, while I'm not a fan of, are a great mix in to the show. However, it is all about balance. I've seen less and less muppet segments, old and new this season than any other. The only muppet filler segments were the letter and number of the day, reused, and a few others. It seemed like mostly filmed segments this year. Considering I mostly watch SS now almost exclusively for Muppet stuff.
  12. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I feel the same way Drtooth. I watch it only for the Muppets and the Cast too. I don't like to think that i just watch it for the Muppets but i like to see the cast there too. So maybe if SW would film some new Muppet stuff other then just reuseing the some of the same stuff from some of the other seasons i think it would work out. Now don't get me wrong but i don't mind seeing some of the older segments from other later seasons but i would like to see some newer skits and songs with Muppet characters and others then last years segments.
  13. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I watch Sesame Street for Sesame Street. I've been able to catch some of the new episodes from Season 38 and I must say I like Chris on there. He's pretty cool. And it was nice to see Gordon and Susan around again together.
    Elmo's World is Elmo's World. I've sat through it before- and though repetitive and formulaic (and it's supposed to be)- it really isn't all that bad. Today's kids do like other characters on Sesame Street too. But from their viewpoint today, Elmo basically IS the main character and essentially is the flagship character for the show, much like Mickey Mouse is for Disney- and Big Bird used to be for Sesame Street. I still think Big Bird is a major flagship character- but there's no denying that Elmo basically represents Sesame Street today. And the character himself has been around since the 1980s, so Elmo's actually a classic character really. He's been around a good 20 years or so! True, he started as a minor character but he's grown into a larger one. And I like him fine. If you're going to complain about his refusing to use personal pronouns, you could also get on Cookie Monster for hardly ever using "I" instead of "Me" for everything.
    I do hope to see a mix of classic characters- and it's been nice seeing classic segments on there this season I haven't seen in a while.
    If you want the older classic Sesame Street episodes, get the Old School Volume 2 DVD box set coming out in November.
    Because I really doubt the status of the current show is going to change much anytime soon. But I really enjoy it as it is right now- they're making some changes and adding some new characters and trying to mix them together some. Hopefully that will continue. And by the way, I can seriously see Abby Cadabby competing with Elmo for the cuteness crown. :)
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    To be honest, I have to say I still think it's more likely they didn't have Elmo's World in those episodes because Kevin Clash has been taking on more responsibilities.

    It is definitely great that they are releasing the Old School DVDs. To be honest, I'd rather show my future kids that than the current show. And I want to make it clear, it's not just because of Elmo's World. I feel the same way about the entire show as it is now. As unpopular as this may sound, I think the show has past its prime. There are other shows coming around that are very successful (and that are entertaining and educating children the way Sesame Street used to).
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But then again, considering it was only 2 episodes, they have about 10 years of EW footage that could clearly fit into those 2 places, even if they are reran endlessly.

    I agree with that up until you said "up and coming" shows. While there are some good ones (must I bring up Curious George a millionth time?) there are just so much lousy "What the crap is that?" type garbage like "Save the Wonderpets!" What is that? Everytime I go to Target and see one of their DVD's, I have to hold back the rage of pulling it off the shelf and stomping up and down on it a million times. I can't believe trash like that and Backyardigans are popular. I almost miss the mid 90's giant weird character in a stupid costume to cash in off Barney shows.

    I think the puppetry is still strong, and the writing is trying to be better. But over all, there are just random gaps in quality in places that pull the whole show down with it. The Veggie Dance? The Fruit dance? That thing from 3 years ago where they had a cheap filmed stage with kids running around a giant letter singing "Y...Y...Y-y-y! " "Da letter Y!" "Y! Y! Y, Y ,Y!" How is that teaching anything.

    Seems to me, its not EW that needs fixing as badly as the nonmuppet filler segments. No more clever cartoons by indie cartoonist. Just.... just cheaply filmed junk. Cheaply filmed junk with cheaply added CGI crap on it.
  16. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    I agree! Isn't it good to know that quality can still be successful and win in a television landscape full of not so quality shows.:)
  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I think there will always be something new to come along and provide a ripple of hope. Not everyone may agree with this example, hehe, but Star Wars was one of the masters of the Sci-Fi/Fantasy film genre. But in recent years, it suffered greatly from the so-called "prequels." Thankfully, Lord of the Rings came along as something new and fresh. That doesn't take away from Star Wars, but it does demonstrate that great projects eventually hit their prime and can't go back. To some extent, I do agree that "you can't go home again." If you could, those projects wouldn't be special. Though we can still enjoy the project when it was excellent. :)
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, Star Wars is a different case from SS. SS has pressure from parental groups, their educators, their competition, and their younger fans to become what it has been in the past several years. Now, say what you will about George Lucas and the prequals. He did the movie he wanted to do, or at least he thought he wanted to do. If he bowed to pressure, Queen Amadala would have been Hillary Duff or something (!) and we would have had a pop music background. And Jar Jar would have been "From Da Hood" making him leagues more annoying than he was. So it isn't really a fair comparison.

    In other words, SS suffers from too much of the outside world, Star Wars suffered from George being hin his own little world. :crazy:

    That said, I liked #2 and I though #3 saved the franchise.
  19. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That is a valid difference, although one could argue Lucas was trying too hard to make a "kid's film". But I stand by the similarities that I was focusing on as well, as far as saying all TV shows and franchises eventually pass their prime.
  20. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    What I liked about the 'Elmo's World-free' episodes this season was that they included multiple part street stories. I think they could still do that and keep Elmo's World. They have done that for a few years before the format changed. Just a suggestion.

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