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For Crying Out Loud, What is Wrong With You People?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Sgt Floyd, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. brkndwnbus

    brkndwnbus Active Member

    The music industry just going digital is sadder for me.

    Just the download of songs from bands/musicians is a waste, in my opinion. I need to have the full album. I want the artwork, the lyrics, something to physically connect me more to the music than just the download.

    A lot of indie musicians/bands still put the albums on vinyl. I'll buy vinyl 100/100 times. The artwork, for the most part is better, and the sound is much better than digital. Plus, most bands give you a free iTunes download so you can have the album for an iPod or whatever gadget to add the songs to. Some, like Wilco used to, will give you the CD and digital download for buying the vinyl. That's like $16 for three versions of the album.

    I'll use my record player that records directly to CD and rip the album that way to listen to it in the car. Digital downloads compress the songs too much and the levels are off. Hearing an album off the record player is a more enjoyable experience for my ears.

    The blu-ray/dvd thing I couldn't care less about. But when it comes to music, just going digital is a major bummer.
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Only thing that really bugs me about digital download is how do I know if the file doesn't either completely download correctly or gets corrupted I can ask for a refund or get another download? What if I spend this money and for some reason, it doesn't work on my computer? At least with physical, you can always return it. That's the one thing I care about. Plus, having a physical collection means that you can actually hold something. And I'm sure there's going to be the same exact idiotic rights and regulations blocking half the stuff we want, with the same companies that can't be in agreement on it ARE in agreement to stomp out pirates.

    I'm sure that all the movies and TV shows you can get can be backed up... but if something happens to your computer, you can lose everything. I'm sure that's what the cloud is for, a massive internet backup... but I'd hate to see that happen.

    Still, the fact that we even have Blu-ray disks, which are just a slight improvement on quality (just not the huge jump VHS to DVD was), just smacks of out gotta have it Techno-Sneetch culture. It's only better because it costs more, and less people have it. There is NO call for snobbishly shoving special features on those things to try and squeeze cash out of a slowly dying format.
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  3. brkndwnbus

    brkndwnbus Active Member

    I still buy TV box sets. I like physically having the item. Plus it helps you lend it to folks who may be interested. My parents don't have Showtime and finally wanted to start on Dexter, so I lent them all 5 seasons currently out on dvd and they ran through them in about 2 weeks. Now they want to start Arrested Development.

    I don't know jack about the Cloud, but I'll continue to buy the actual item from a local store.
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  4. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I wonder if there's still a market for physical media, and will there still be a market for it in the future despite all the instant gratification digital provides?
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I like physically having the item too, the problem is financial restraints and the planned obsolescence on the DVD/Blu Ray issue. It's all very manipulative.
  6. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    I collect box sets still. Why load up your hard drive with stuff you're not going to watch 24/7? Save that space for the things you use all the time, dudes. Plus, I'm not privileged enough to afford internet access at home right now, so streaming really isn't an option. And no matter how much of my stuff eventually does go into iCloud or whatever, I still like having a physical backup of the most important-to-me bits. Hey...servers can be hacked, systems go down. Ethereal storage isn't as ghostly as it sounds: it is all still on someone's rack in a gargantuan, power-sucking complex somewhere. Get off the grid -- use your danged flashdrives! :news:

    LOVING the term "techno-Sneetch." Would that be star-bellied, then?
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  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    We wouldn't if we had the money for box sets. ;)
  8. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    I buy EVERYTHING used. Shelling out for "The Muppets" ahead of time has been a rarity for me!
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  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Even with used prices, I have other things I need to spend my money on.

    And we still come back to the Blu Ray player problem.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Indeed they are. Well... the Sneetches who had stars in the first place and took them off when it wasn't exclusive. I know the story is an allegory of racism... but I also find it also has a lot to do with class systems and also how people deal with fashion and fads.

    I'm very mixed on the idea...

    If physical media means we'll just keep coming up with Blu Ray, Green Ray, 3-D ultraviolet ray stuff that's more and more expensive and more and more exclusive, junk it.

    Ideally, I want to see a region free system where anything and everything ever created is available, free or at a fair charge, to watch and or download from every country without and idiotic red tape. If I can get all the rarest international animation programming and movies ever produced, it will be a boon. But we're gonna have the same region exclusiveness and backroom dealings we have now. So that's probably no good.

    On the other hand, if there's one thing good about physical media, it's going to stores that actually have things that you can't find at Target or Best Buy. And the best part about those stores isn't the DVD sales, it's the goofy accessories and collectibles these places also sell. More stuff you can't get at Target or Best Buy. I rarely even bought DVD's at FYE, when I was buying toys and other things. We're going to lose a LOT of collectible fun when these stores shutter down forever.

    Secondly, you can't get an autographed copy of a .avi file or a book file. That's why I worry about the state of books. No more book signings. More book readers (even comic) appreciate the feel of paper in their hands over a flat screen that looks like paper. I can't read all that much on a computer without my eyes burning.
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  11. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    And this is my issue with everything going digital. Yeah, its gonna happen eventually. Ideally, once you pay for something, you can download it as many times as you need, since crashes and other things happen. But if not they should do something like Popcap does. They give you a code that works 5 times to install a game you bought (I dont think it ever expires). That way, if something happens to it, you can download it again with no charge.

    Oh yes, I would much rather have the physical object. I buy dvd box sets when I have the money and I see something interesting. Maybe I'm just weird, but there is nothing like the smell of a freshly opened CD XD
  12. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Ohh.... they'll be done that it like three days. It's a great show.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I agree! Though for people who have lost patience in all the red tape, who are poor, or just don't see the point anymore of physical media...*rhymes with rorrentz* lulz.

    I say down with all this chinese sweatshop made plastic, art for art sake.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Even then, I don't think I'd be able to torrent the anime I'm looking for. I've got VERY obscure tastes in anime, after all. I LOVE Osomatsu-kun... but I don't think anyone in the US is hip to it (though I saw a non-Asian guy with an Osomatsu-kun/Tensai Bakabon shirt once).

    I'd LOVE for some Japanese entertainment companies to get off their butts and do something world wide that has every single thing ever made. Heck, all international animation studios. There's so much greatness we're not watching.

    We still need to buy them to watch these on... ;) Nah, I hate that too. On the one hand, I don't think I could afford the 23% more if it was made here, but on the other hand, I'd be prouder to buy something that isn't made in a building with suicide nets.

    Still, I don't know if the CD's and DVD's are made in China...but CD's and DVD's are printed in Mexico. I'm sure it's not that great there either...
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh god, just as bad. A corrupt ultra violent narco state with major western banks laundering billions in cartel money while corporations profit off of terrible sweat shop conditions. This whole world is fubared.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wish people would consider the fact that the pompous and sanctimonious war on drugs does nothing but win the war for the cartels. Anything seized would be recomped through price increases... Bloom County put it very eloquently. The best way to win is to give up.
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Will that help the families who are victims of an addict though?
  18. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    The US government has been caught sending tens of thousands of automatic weapons to the Zetas and laundering millions of their dollars, a group that makes al Qaeda look like school yard pranksters. The government claims it was part of a "sting operation", yet it's funny how both Bush and Obama have completely ignored what's been going on in Mexico as has the media. From top to bottom so much of the country is engulged in chaos and war from the cartels, as they infest hundreds of major US cities with their poison. Already they kill people in the US and have battles on the outskirts of US border towns...but nooo, it's "Muslim militants" the US thinks the real threat. Meanwhile ya got these right wingers talking about "all them illegals"(ie: mostly honest, hard working families trying to get away from that mess)

    Oh and then last year in the media, it was revealed Wells Fargo's Wachovia and other banks knowingly was complicit in laundering 368 billion for drug cartels. This whole world is getting sicker and sicker
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Crackheads are going to get crack anyway. Why should we have to blow billions of dollars, risk hundreds of lives, and incite so much horrible violence that actually benefits the enemy just to punish someone who's selfishly killing themselves anyway?

    It's a huge dilemma that has no win situations. I'd hate to think we'd have to legalize the stuff... but everything the US has done just benefits the cartel, or lets them shake it off with price increases. They revel in the fact its illegal and all the bungling Inspector Zenegata type legislation that make it all the more profitable and give them all the more power. No matter what we do, we're screwed. But one way saves a fortune of tax dollars (which would be better suited to anti-drug treatments) and our military.

    I hate "wars on." No matter what we declare war on, we always lose.
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I'm just saying, what do we tell the families who will continue to be abused?


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