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Ghostbusters 3 finally on the way? You decide!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by frogboy4, May 20, 2009.

  1. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I'm right there with you. Especially Erin's frustration at being ridiculed, which wasn't something that ever really bothered the guys.

    I also liked the ways the Internet and YouTube was incorporated into the plot. Felt very spot on, which strangely isn't always the case in Hollywood movies.

    I get the impression they were trying to avoid adding a romantic subplot so they wouldn't be labeled a chick flick, hehe. That's another thing that's really cool about GB16, the lead female characters aren't "sexualized" in a "gratuitous" way, like in many action movies. And frankly, I'll be blunt, I do think that was the reason some (not all) fans were turned off by this movie.
  2. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Nostalgic Critic gave a perfect explanation of this debacle towards the beginning of his review.

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  3. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    If you mean the part about the world having more important things to worry about, I agree. :)

    All in all, it hasn't been a debacle, apart from some very toxic "fans." A lot of people ended up enjoying the movie, and again, outside of the Internet, people are able to agree to disagree.
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  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The one thing that impressed me was that despite all the bullcrap about how "feminazi" this movie was, they managed to make a small statement about double standards with Kevin the secretary. He was only hired because Kristin Wiig's character thought he was hot.
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  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Right, it's not like they're supporting the double standard. Abby points out that Erin's questions are illegal (which was my first thought, lol).
  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    So a fan board just told me, "Don't let the door hit you on the way out." And a few other oh so pleasant things. Why? Because I defended the reboot of course.

    Has it all been worth it? I just don't know anymore.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Ghostbusters fanbase has proven themselves to be the worst fanbase online with this. And that's saying something because all fanbases online are essentially terrible. I mean, definitely the Sonic the Hedgehog "everything they made after Sonic Adventure was horrible, but we'll make X-rated fanart of every character anyway," Transformers half "everything that's not G1 is terrible" half "you're not a true fan unless you like everything" dysfunctional mess.

    There are things I totally understand. Ghostbusters does not need a reboot or sequel or even a new cartoon series. Doesn't even need the comic book. Didn't even need a sequel back in the day. It's a franchise that can rest entirely on the laurels of the original movie and maybe the cartoon series (though for me, it's cartoon series first, movie second). If there's any one the fanbase should be rightfully indignant about, it's Sony for trying to milk the franchise when they really didn't need to. No matter what movie would have came out of this, be it a third film, a reboot of any kind, female or not, or even a one off side story, a certain amount of the fanbase would have hated the film anyway. That's just how things go. And no matter the quality of the film, someone's going to find things wrong with it, down to nitpicky nonsense, that's also how things go. But the behavior, even now, has been ridiculously terrible.
  8. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I'll give them the benefit of the doubt a bit and say it's just the latest symptom of fan entitlement, which has been a growing annoyance. Ghostbusters just happens to be the latest victim.

    Say what you will about Ghostbusters II, but they did try to warn us about negativity. Who would have thought it would be the fans to create the next River of Slime.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's something I usually come to accept. Just... I get being angry that there's a "reboot," even though it's basically just a placeholder film because Sony grew tired of waiting for the third movie to actually happen since everything's been stop and go. That's a given. I can even understand being a little annoyed by the gender flipped cast, though I complete disagree. But the behavior has been disgusting. You even get flamed if you didn't hate the movie enough. Just...I agree the movie probably shouldn't have been made no matter what form it took. I think we got the best option, a disconnected film that has no backwards bearing to the original 2 movies. No botched worse sequel, no prequel trying to explain things and ruining their meaning in the original movie. Just an alternate universe film that's basically a one and done (I doubt there's going to be a sequel, even though they announced it) with like 2 other GB films still coming.
  10. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Not that it's any earth shattering crisis but I probably won't be going to Comic Con this year. I know there are good geeks out there, but right now I don't want anything to do with this culture. It's incredibly sad.
  11. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    My opinion (for what it's worth)*, the movie was absolutely dire. It was an embarrassment to watch and to the franchise. I know, like everything in life, as many people will love it as loathe it, but for me I fall definitely in the latter. The humour was not clever...at all, the visuals were awful and it just came across as an unfunny spoof. The trailers were awful but the actual movie managed to be worse!! I also never thought I'd write this, but one of the most terrible aspects was Bill Murray, who is my hero!!

    I don't have any problems with the gender-swap aspect, though admit that element was clearly a gimmick purely designed to be controversial, and I am a Paul Feig fan with only Bridesmaids being on my "meh" list. It was just an awful, awful, movie and definitely a movie that really did not need to be made. I would personally put Ghostbusters in the list, alongside Back to the future, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Jaws, ET... of movies that should not be remade. Ghostbusters II has, for years, been given a hugely rough ride by "critics", but the one thing "Ghostbusters 2016" has done, is make Ghostbusters II look like an absolute masterpiece!

    I am sad what the terrible box-office returns and audience reception means for the future of the Ghostbusters brand. It has survived for over 30 years with a very successful merchandise range which the fanbase has lapped up and supported it, but I can't help but think this movie AND the horrible reaction Sony had to fans (not the "misogynists") who were angered by the remake, I think a lot of goodwill towards the franchise may well have withered.

    Again, just my opinion, but Ghostbusters has been my favourite movie for over thirty years and I am quite passionate and disappointed by everything that has happened to it since the loss of Harold Ramis, which was tragically the catalyst for where it stands now.

    To draw comparisons with this and my Muppet obsession - I currently feel about Ghostbusters like I did about the Muppets after Studio DC...*shudder*

    *I expect the usual suspects on this forum to shoot me down for the audacity of having an opinion that differs to theirs, but so be it.
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  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Anyone want a ticket to Comic Con? I won't even charge for it. That's how little I care at this point. ;)
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  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    His daughter has already said she doesn't like people using her father's memory to bash this movie. The death is what is tragic, not your feelings about a movie.

    Like I said, if you want the Comic Con ticket, you can have it. I'm done with fandoms.
  14. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    That's not what I was doing but thanks for misinterpreting my words. It's well documented that it was his passing that made Ivan Reitman step back from any continuation. It was also the moment control reverted back to Sony - up until that point, Bill, Dan, Ivan and Harold had full control over Ghostbusters. Bill Murray negated his rights by turning down the opportunity to star in a sequel twice. Once Harold passed on and Ivan stepped away, Sony had the full rights to the future of the franchise. If I remember rightly, Sony barely waited a week after his death to announce a continuation.

    Harold's daughter Violet said she did not like people using her fathers name to support sexist or misogynist ideals. Completely different to what I wrote above!! But thanks for proving my point and jumping on my comment.
  15. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Read the article again. She wasn't only referring to the sexism thing. She also mentioned people freaking out over reboots.

  16. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    "...but for people to say that he is “rolling in his grave” or would never have let a female-centered cast happen is INSANE"

    I said:
    "I am quite passionate and disappointed by everything that has happened to it since the loss of Harold Ramis, which was tragically the catalyst for where it stands now."

    I'm not sure how you are judging my comments against what his daughter said??!! I judged it as a film on it's own merits and a film that was a reboot of a movie that I loved and thought it was terrible - am I not allowed to hold that opinion?
  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    You said:

    "I would personally put Ghostbusters in the list, alongside Back to the future, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Jaws, ET... of movies that should not be remade." That is the anti reboot culture she was talking about. And you bemoaning "where it stands now" wasn't about the sexism thing either. You were using his death to complain about the state of franchise, which she clearly wasn't thrilled with fans doing.

    And chill, I have never been one here to say someone "isn't allowed" to hold an opinion. I pointed out that one part of your comment is disrespectful. You are free to disagree. But no one is telling you not to speak.

    Anyway, like I said, I'm done with fandoms. I can't remember the last time they were fun (and no, that doesn't mean I want everyone to have the same opinion).
  18. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    What part of "I would personally put Ghostbusters in the list, alongside Back to the future, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Jaws, ET... of movies that should not be remade" is disrespectful?????????? What I would personally consider is disrespectful???!!!! Are you insane?? That is fundamentally the definition of what forms an opinion!!! Did I tell anyone to agree??? Did I say anyone else was wrong???!!!!!

    I also don't think the Muppets should be CGI if that was ever considered, is that disrespectful too?
  19. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Please read the article again. And do not ever speak to me again. I'm done. With all of it.
  20. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Let's not fall out, it really isn't worth it. I just thought I would weigh in & share my thoughts on a topic I am passionate about on a forum that I am part of, but didn't expect to be called disrespectful for expressing it. Like anything anyone loves in life, people have their own beliefs as to what they would like to see happen with it. Do these feelings make a jot of difference? No, not at all, but everyone has them and is entitled to them...otherwise this forum and every forum would be pointless.


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