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Gluing Technique Help!

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by HandySam, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    The masks aren't a real impediment to your ability to work and every professional shop in Canada is required to use them under health and safety laws. There really aren't any good gloves to use unfortunately. I tend to rarely bother with them (again, I really should) but do use a special barrier cream.

    The little cloth masks they sell in hardware stores do not work and offer no protection. What you have to wear at a minimum is a half-mask with an organic vapour cartridge. There's an example of these at http://www.websoft-solutions.net/3m_respirator_3m_half_face_respirator_p/5000-ser-res.htm

    What actually should be worn - and what many of the professional builders that I have met use - is a full face piece similar to this one - http://www.websoft-solutions.net/mold_remediation_product_mold_remediation_product_p/3m-mdrmkt.htm (that may not be the correct model though) because it protects your eyes. Whenever someone buys these they should check to make sure they are purchasing the correct filters since different ones are used for working with different materials.

    Anyone who is pregnant (or potentially could be pregnant) should not use contact cement...almost all of the responsible shops I've been in have a rule against that. Along the same lines, it's extremely unhealthy to use the contact cement in proximity to children. For adults, unprotected exposure to the fumes (in additon to the other aforementioned problems) reduces fertility, as does exposure to virtually any kind of chemical toxin.
  2. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    and then there are people like me, who just use the stuff devil may care, lol
  3. Puppetplanet

    Puppetplanet Well-Known Member

    lol :crazy:

    Not that I always throw caution to the wind, but the back of my contact cement tub only cautions a person to use in a well ventilated area. I wonder maybe if the Weldwood stuff isn't as strong as Barge, and therefor maybe not quite as dangerous..... although, still VERY potent. One small whiff is enough to tell you that it's not something to mess around with.
  4. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    And you're in New Jersey---

    The Jersey Devil!!
  5. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Ah. It all starts to make sense now. :p

  6. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    jajajajajajaja ;)
  7. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member


    Great info. I would end up being the dumb guy who just went gung how and started building and ended up passing out from the fumes.
  8. practicecactus

    practicecactus Well-Known Member

    Can I just say HOLY $#!+....I've been using coctact glue at work ,for a while now,Quite a bit and had no idea how dangerous it was.After reading this I checked the drum and sure enough, it says you should wear gloves and a mask! Nobody told me!Even the workplace and safety guy has walked past and never told me to use a mask.
    I saw the big "Flammable Liquid" sticker on it, but didn't read the other stuff on the label

    To make short story long: I work at a large factory making luxury boats.Ive been working on the floors ,for the boat I work on, and The flooring is strips of Vinyl that look like wood grain.I have to cut them to fit a timber base and stick them on with contact cement,using a spray gun.And doing large areas at a time, using a fair bit of the stuff.

    Explains these headaches I've been having and I also felt a bit faint.(even though I'm working in a very open area with a fan cause of the heat)
    Used my fumes mask, and sure enough , no more headache. I just assumed it was from the general noise in the factory(I usually wear ear plugs,but when someones talking to me ,I tend to pull em out.)
    I was talking to one of the upholstery guys and he was like.."oh yeah, I used to do fossing but couldn't handle the glue anymore so I asked to do these pelmets" and he showed me his hands, and he had like a lumpy rash on his palms,and told me the technical dermitological name for it.
    I don't really get much skin contact , but now that I think about it ,I have had an itching on my arms before.I only touch it with my finger tips and it doesn't seem to do anything there.

    Soon the floors ,I do , will be going to a sub-contracter and I'll be off them.

    So I guess what i'm saying is "Kids, Allways read the labels when your using chemicals and volatile stuff.And you can't be too careful!Health and Safety stuff may be nerdy , but it's the smart thing."
  9. Iokitek

    Iokitek Well-Known Member

    I would go see a doctor if I were you. To check if you might have a brain tumor or something. And sue your company if you run into any medical bills along the way (I would sue them either way for liability actually, but that's just me). You can have an independend organisation check out your workplace before they know you're even thinking about undertaking legal actions. So you have proof that health regulations are not being followed.

    I guess I'm just a difficult person. But to me this is just another one of those instances where it shows that some people don't take any responsibility for another persons wellbeing. While it's even their job and they get paid to do it. In my opinion there are alot of people out there who are supposed to be proffesionals in their field but instead don't even know the simplest basics of their own job. And they don't seem to care either. And if they can't do their job then accidents will happen. Those people are responsible for posing as a proffesional while it's obvious that they are not. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.... or something :p What I mean is that if you take a job as a safety regulator then it becomes your responsibility. People should have to be able to count on you to warn them when they are endangering themselves.

    If you really have medical problems then it's not your fault but theirs. I wouldn't let them get away with it.
  10. practicecactus

    practicecactus Well-Known Member

    dude , I really couldn't be bothered with Sueing and all that.
    I'm just going around telling every one that's using the stuff to wear a mask.
  11. practicecactus

    practicecactus Well-Known Member

    ..I was just thinking ,the sore eyes.just assumed it was sitting at this computor too long,and I was gettin nose bleeds up until a while ago..but I used to get nose bleeds when i was a kid.So I didn't think anything of that either.
    But the thing that really hit me just now..That upholstery guy I was talking to told me ages ago,that he had a brain tumour removed....
    I'm such a dumbarse.
    I'm $hitting bricks now.

    Screw Work, tomorrow , I'm going to go talk to a doctor.
  12. Iokitek

    Iokitek Well-Known Member

    Good decision :) I didn't mean to scare you though by starting about brain tumors. But I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.
  13. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    I would also venture to guess that if it was a spray glue and you were not wearing your mask that you will want a chest Xray. Lung Cancer and the like could be brewing in there. But the nose bleeds, head aches, and the like are strong indicators that you may want to investigate the company you work for.

    I worked in a printing factory, and we used a lot of chemicals and I am not just talking about 3 different kinds of ink eather, there were at least 15 different chemicals that I used every day. They used the powder to help the ink dry ( it was some kind of industrial corn starch). The powder blew through the press, and mixed with the oil, ink, dirt and other paper particles and chemicals and was in the air all around us. They then had these water spraywers mounted in the roof which sprawed a fine mist of water over the entire company to keep the powder down, down where we were working.

    I got that same kind of rash on my hands, and it took months for it it clear up. My skin leterally bubbled up in little blisters, then they burst and became scally and raw. I eventually had to wear gluves all the time.
  14. Show and Tell

    Show and Tell Well-Known Member

    EEEWWWW :p Daz nasty Doc.
  15. practicecactus

    practicecactus Well-Known Member

    :concern: ..Are..are you a real doctor?
  16. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    The doctor is in

    No I am not a real doctor, if I was I would have never worked in that printing factory. And do not get me wrong I had a lot of fun in my Job printing harry potter trading cards.

    My brother who is a doctor looked at my hands and told me it may not be from chemicals, but a type of fungus like Athleats Foot. I may have gotten it from using some one elses rubber gloves, and then the chemicals agrivated it more.

    Any way, i would go to the hospital and get all checked out for real. :attitude:
  17. Show and Tell

    Show and Tell Well-Known Member

    Well, I finally broke down and bought the face mask that Buck was talking about. I 've just been holding off on that expence till I got some of the other essential tools for the job but you all have scared the foam out of me. I did at least already have the powerful exhaust fan. Hey Buck how do you know when you need to change the cartridges in these things? And good grief they are expensive! Beats a brain tumor though anyday.:crazy: Sorry 'bout your job there Doc. :sympathy:
  18. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Rubber Cement

    Does any one know if you can use rubber cement as a contact cement. I tried to use it but it eventually (rather quickly) began to come appart. Was I doing something wrong? :o
  19. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    "Rubber cement" and "contact cement" tend to be used interchangably (I am not even sure if there is any difference). First make sure the adhesive you're using is suitable for foam; most glues should have this information on their label or packaging.

    If you're using the right glue the three most commons reasons the foam doesn't stick are:

    1. Glue wasn't applied to both sides of the seam you are gluing

    2. The glue wasn't given enough time to cure before the pieces were stuck together, or was given too much time and dried out. With most types of all purpose contact cement you have to wait until the glue is tacky before you can stick pieces together (by 'tacky' I mean it's sticky to the touch but none comes off on your hand when you touch it).

    3. The glue isn't being used at the proper temperatures; most glue won't work properly below 10 degrees C or above 40 degrees C.

    Remember that foam should bond on contact when you use contact cement. There shouldn't be any need for clamping or a long cure time. If that isn't the case you are either doing something wrong or have the wrong product.
  20. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    i have a feeling you are using the wrong glue

    if this is the common "RUBBER CEMENT" that is sold in craft and art stores it not going to do any thing for u as far as puppet building is concerned it is pretty much only good for paper prodicts,

    CONTACT CEMENT will be found at a hardware store.

    good luck, and read bucks comments on how to use the stuff properly

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