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Guillermo del Toro/Henson Co. to remake Pinocchio

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by The 11th UrRu, Dec 2, 2008.

  1. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

  2. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I read about it from a link on Rotten Tomatoes last week. Sounds like the yearly revivals of Nightmare Before Christmas and the ucoming Coraline have inspired Del Toro and the Henson Company. The Gris Grimly illustrations that the film will be based on are even more striking than Nightmare or Corpse Bride.
  3. Laszlo

    Laszlo Member

    Del Toro is overrated anyway. Pinocchio goes Horror.... well then...
  4. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    Please explain...
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm with you. I didn't understand that statement either. I haven't seen anything short of amazing from Del Toro. He's a director that actually crafts his pictures. It's a rare art these days and he does it successfully.
  6. Pork

    Pork Active Member

    Hey cool! This sounds good..
  7. Laszlo

    Laszlo Member

    Well, tastes are different. I havent seen a Del Toro Pic which really amazed me. Pans Labyrinth was disappointing. Its much easier to put scary and bloody images on screen than create wonderfull fantasy worlds like Henson and Froud did. I may have to see Hellboy2 ?
  8. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    This really does sound like a great idea! I wouldn't definitely watch it!
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I understand how tastes can be different and respect your opinion. Pan's Labyrinth was really about a child's escapism from her real life horrors. I don't believe it was intended as a fantasy film even though it was advertised as one. I still found it beautiful.

    Both Hellboys are good films. Much better than they needed to be. The first one has some pacing issues, but both are entertaining and imaginative. I think you'll really like Hellboy 2. It leaves you wanting even more - hopefully the Hellboy 3 del Toro would like to make in order to complete (and contractually end) the film franchise. You will see a definite style and craftsmanship repeated in all of his work. Also juxtaposed methods of filmmaking.

    There was a scene in HB2 where they had to tell a back-story and he decided to do it with puppets (albeit digital puppets that looked fairly real). That's what I think is fueling del Toro's interest in these new actual puppet ventures. I hear he also wants to remake The Witches the same way as he would Pinocchio. This guy has a lot of aspirations for a director contributing the next few years of his life to the Hobbit films. He also wants to do another Frankenstein picture. I wish it were him behind the new Dark Crystal film. We'll have to see how that one goes.

    It’s rare these days to see a filmmaker with a distinctly original voice. I see del Toro as one of those voices on the rise.
  10. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see del Toro do Return to Labyrinth. I haven't seen Pan's Labyrinth but I think I want to now, since I really liked Hellboy 2. I can't wait to see this Pinocchio.
  11. lowercasegods

    lowercasegods Member

    You're entitled to your opinion, and honestly, until I saw Hellboy I felt the same. Del Toro's work on the Blade movies didn't do much for me. But Hellboy was grand, as was Pan's Labyrinth, and I totally recommend Hellboy II. It's such a cool movie, and visually it's the best film I've experienced in years. I haven't seen such original and well employed animatronic creatures since Labyrinth.

    Pinocchio was originally a much darker story than Disney re-imagined in the 40's (though I'd say Disney's was still appropriately dark on its own). In the original serialized stories Pinocchio crushes the cricket underfoot and is at one point hung by the neck. So Gris Grimley and Del Toro would be well suited for this project, I believe.

    I could do with some cinematic interpretations of lesser used fairy tales, however. We've had plenty of re-imaginings of The Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, and Pinocchio (I think Steve Barron and the Hensons did a great job with the character in the 90's movie). I wish filmmakers would explore older, less familiar folk tales for their movies sometimes...
  12. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Grimm's Fairy Tales alone has enough messed-up plots to last forever.
  13. Laszlo

    Laszlo Member

    I wish that too. Im still waiting for a good HANSEL AND GRETEL movie...
  14. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    Thing is he wasnt going for a henson fantasy world. frogboys pretty much dead on the money in his reply.

    I understand how some might not like the content, despite what seems like a decent story line I wont see the Saw movies for this reason, but Pans Laybrinth is absolutley incredible. From the imagary, to the story, to the soundtrack... Id say its a darn near flawless work.
  15. lowercasegods

    lowercasegods Member

    Man, how cool would that be? If the Hensons wanted to do something really sweet, they'd call up Steve Barron and make a full length feature of Jim Henson's Storyteller with all new material. It's not like there's no new material to work from!
  16. lowercasegods

    lowercasegods Member

    That's the truth! I'd love to see a movie interpretation of The Robber Bridegroom. No singing princesses or talking candlesticks in that one, but plenty of dark and horrific storytelling. Del Toro would do wonders with that material!
  17. Wiseman

    Wiseman Member

    Strange

    Didn't henson already do Pinocchio? It has potential as a horror film and I'm all for recycling, but in the end when the DVD comes out the company will be competing against itself as fans choose which of his versions they liked better to either buy or rent.:shifty:
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    You bring up an interesting point. There was much dissatisfaction with that live action, puppetry and CG mixed telling of Pinocchio a full twelve years ago. Henson Co just made the puppets. Francis Ford Coppola originally wanted to create with the Jim Henson Company, but it hit many snags in development that gave us the eventual "Adventures of Pinocchio" panned by audiences and critics alike. I think this is a good idea for Henson Co and stop-motion puppetry is a different approach than the one before. There's not much competition. Nobody's been clamoring to buy the 1996 DVD.

    Getting a puppet version of Pinocchio to the screen is something Jim Henson himself tried to do with Disney in the 80s, but they were not interested. I feel this is coming full circle. :)
  19. Wiseman

    Wiseman Member

    I liked it

    I actually liked it. In fact as a true collector I bought the trading cadrds that promoted the movie and I had the entire set until my infant son got to them and made pinocchio confetti out of some of them. :p BTW I al;ways found the scene where Pinocchio turns into a donkey somewhst scarey even in the Disney version.:scary:
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I liked bits of it, yet wanted more from both the Henson Co related version as well as the Disney version. Both are fairly creepy in parts yet fall short in certain areas of either pacing or playing it safe. Both beat Roberto Benigni's version by leaps and bounds. Still, Disney's telling is the one to beat IMHO.

    The Adventures of Pinocchio just didn't relate to most audiences (a 15 M box office take is pretty dismal and hardly recoups the budget). Money isn't always an indicator of quality, but the picture didn't garner enough critical acclaim to gain cult status. There are some fine moments in the picture, but I think it's safe to say the version doesn't have a competitive legacy that was the initial cause of concern voiced earlier. I don't think a new version will take away from the past picture's following either. Fans are dedicated regardless of external factors.

    I am so glad that this new del Toro/Henson/Grimley version is going dark. Also, this stop motion puppet form is probably the most fitting for the subject matter. And Grimley’s artistic imagery is unique and attractive.


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