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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Jan 14, 2012.
Just like Tim Allen!
And I know everybody says I complain about this too much, but this is on TV too much, so I'm going to keep complaining about it as long as it enters my attention . . . but already, this new show is automatically bad, because guess what one of the aspects of the show is? That's right! Sex! Already in the promos, one of the daughters tells her parents about sleeping with another girl (and denying she's a lesbian), the other daughter talks to her mom and sister about birth control, and even the wife/mother looks and dresses like a cheap whore. This is all what television is about anymore, and I've been saying it for years, but I'm going to keep saying it until something happens: this needs to stop. Enough is enough. Every show doesn't have to be about sex, but it's become the go-to thing for every show. And so many people out there have become so desensitized by it that their only response is, "just don't watch then." Yeah, that solves all our problems right there.
And y'know, I actually like Patrick Warburton - he's a funny guy - but, it's like all he does now when he's not doing voice work is crap. Same with David Alan Grier: I love that guy, but I'm sure THE CARMICHAEL SHOW is bad since all new shows are automatically bad now, so my being a fan of his hasn't been enough for me to even check into it.
And here's what The Mysterious Mr. Enter has to say about The Goode Family. I do agree with a great deal of what he said about the show, namely about how it feels like a nearly complete antithesis to King of the Hill, except TGF rarely mocked far right ideologies in the same way KotH mocked far left ideologies. Also, the voice Mike Judge used for Gerald Goode is just the hippie teacher from Beavis & Butt-Head, not Hank Hill with a stuffy nose.
There was a Canadian show from many years back that I feel did this sort of thing a lot better, and that's called The Tofus. The big difference is that the kids often clash with their parents' decision to return to a more natural lifestyle, but are willing to stand up for them when others (namely, their alarm system salesman neighbor) try to keep them down, as opposed to them all being the same one-note personalities, like the Goodes. I believe it was shown on Jetix in the U.S. according to Wikipedia, but I'm not exactly sure.
The problem with The Goode Family is the same problem I have rewatching the first season of American Dad. King of the Hill may have meant to be a parody of southern conservatives, but it really becomes more of a series about how Hank Hill is a button down guy who just doesn't get modern ideologies, and as he has a quirky set of neighbors and family members, he's the one that's relatable and sane and it went from Hank being incredibly, comedically button down to the reasonable, rational one that tries to maintain a level of sanity within his family and friends. To the point where it got really formulaic in the last season, and I think it ended before it became too repetitive.
Where as the Goode family is a stronger parody, one that's not quite as affectionate of suburban leftists to the point where they are the odd ones in the neighborhood. It's not exactly cartoonish, but far less subtle than KOTH was. But the thing that would have fixed it was time and more episodes. Early on, Hank was on the hilariously uptight side, but he evolved into a more human character very early on. There were signs of small character evolution for Gerald, and they did have that episode where they were banned from Whole Foods and had to shop at a Cost-Co expy. And if there's one thing I think they did hilariously well was that the lower class buy in bulk types... ehhh...a phenomenon I've noticed is how the cheaper the grocery store you go to, the less attractive people get, so that's a nice gag that's never been done.
The Goode Family isn't a bad show, just one that never got to reach its potential. I'd say another season or even a handful more of first season episodes, and it would have been good. Not KOTH level, obviously, but still a decent show.
And Hank Hill's voice is that of Mr. Anderson, also from B&B, to the point where they almost considered making Tom Anderson Hank's father... but then we wouldn't have had Hank's actual father, so that worked out for the best. And this also gets hilariously lampshaded in the book "That Boy Ain't Right," where under Hank's movie picks and pans, he mentions catching "Beavis and Butt-Head do America" on TV at a motel and saying something about how that Tom Anderson guy has a very annoying voice.
Did it bother anyone else that the dad on The Goode Family looked the exact same age as his kids? That's just a minor nitpick, but still.
Didn't Kim Possible's mom look just like her only with a slightly different hairstyle?
If CRISTELA was such a "groundbreaking" series, how come it only lasted one season?
Apparently Matthew Perry's version of THE ODD COUPLE is successful enough for a third season. I'm . . . surprised. People thought it would flop - not because it's a remake, but because the subject of divorce isn't as tongue-in-cheek as it was back in the days of Tony Randall and Jack Klugman.
I'm shocked as the second season was basically dumped not only at mid-season, but just before the other shows were going on Summer Break. And they ran them 2 episodes a week, obviously well into getting rid of the episodes territory.
Now for the multiple complaints I can make about this show, the most cutting thing I can say is that it's exactly the humor and tone of one of the terrible, forgettable 90's sitcoms that was trying to be the next Friends, lacking the charm and overall reason to exist that Friends has. And I'm not a fan of that series, but respect it's place in pop culture history. This new Odd Couple could be called anything and be the same show. A bad throwback to how lousy 90's sitcoms that weren't the big named ones were. The jokes are unfunny, the laugh track makes them even less funny, the actors who are funny in other things aren't funny, the whole show feels generic and pointless.
I don't know what to feel about ABC's mid-season replacement Imaginary Mary, which is premiering tonight. On the one hand, we have another sitcom with an animated character, much like Son of Zorn, giving it a bit of edge. On the other, there's a lot of overlap with the film Drop Dead Fred (which was a rightful flop in its time, and was totally forgotten about until the Nostalgia Critic reviewed it), though Mary doesn't appear to be an obnoxious troublemaker, but rather someone who may screw things up for her friend, but has her heart in the right place. Plus, there's Jenna Elfman as the star, whose last real career was in Dharma and Greg, and she was just annoying in that show.
However, like with SoZ, I'm really intrigued by the behind-the-scenes stuff. They shoot two takes: a rehearsal with Elfman and a large puppet stand-in of Mary to react to (that I would love to see), and the final take with just Elfman talking to thin air for Mary to be added later. The CG animators use puppet Mary as a reference point.
What show got canceled?
No shows have been cancelled yet. The Real O'Neals just finished off its 2nd season, though.
So, Imaginary Mary came and went, and while I don't exactly hate it, but I'm not too thrilled by it either compared to seeing Son of Zorn. Jenna Elfman is more tolerable in this -- a single careerwoman willing to get into a relationship with a divorced dad but is not entirely sure about motherhood -- but it's the title character who's annoying this time. Probably the squickiest thing about Mary is her apparent obsession with watching her creator doing it, along with that scene of her spooning with her after a bender at the bar, seen frequently in promos. Not a good start for a premiere episode, but maybe it'll get better from there.
There's accusations going around that networks are trying to silence the voices of women since shows like CRISTELA and THE MINDY PROJECT were canceled (and UNBREAKABLE KIMMY SCHMIDT was dumped on Netflix).
I saw about five minutes of the pilot - not because I was seeking it out, mind you, it just happened to be on while I was waiting for something - and it's terrible. The dialogue is poorly-written, the delivery and performances are awkward and painful, and really, relationship-based premises are a beaten horse at this point.
So apparently ABC is going to try a new . . . "sitcom" (?) where a dog watches his owner have sex with different guys in her bed and the dog offers commentary on that, and other things she does throughout her life.
Uhh . . . hasn't that been done? Didn't the dog on MARRIED... WITH CHILDREN pretty much serve that purpose? Heck, wasn't there an entire sitcom pilot about this from the 80s that didn't even sell at all? With actors in dog costumes trying to do social commentary from a dog's perspective? I think the guy who played Morty Seinfeld played the dad dog.
Honestly didn't bother with it. I was recently watching the short form sitcom miniseries (as in I doubt they're going to get a second season, even though it was sequel baited pretty hard) "Trial and Error" instead for the past few weeks. I wasn't looking forward to it or caring at all to watch it. I don't even want to get into the "They canned the Muppets but greenlit this" worn soap box again. However, I am impressed by the quality of the CGI imaginary monster. TV animation CGI is still no where near theatrical quality (Father of the Pride showed that was too darn expensive to continue), and even TV shows that use it only go as high as Disney's CGI line up. Very good, but not Pixar movie. Yet, the kind of CGI hybrid they're going for in this sitcom is shockingly better than the average Chipmunks/Garfield type movie. So I have to give credit where credit is due, just... it's in the end wasted.
It's no secret. I HATE live action talking dog movies. Love cartoon dogs. Love Scooby, Martha who Speaks, the pets of Secret Life of Pets, Hong Kong Phooey and all them. But I can't stand how talking dogs look in these sort of things. Now I really don't want to be the "I'm going to hate it before I see it" type because that usually either proves me right or make me feel like an idiot when I do like it, and I don't care for those odds. But I don't know who said "Hey! Let's make Santa Buddies type things for adults! That sounds like a great idea" Didn't they already fail that with "Oh Heavenly Dog?" (yeah, I watch Cinema Snob).
Plus... I get the feeling someone saw "Secret Life of Pets" and said, "The movie was perfect 2 minutes in, let me just rip that off."
Mary herself does look very good, which may explain why the series has been slashed from 13 to 9 episodes, and why she has barely appeared in eps past the first.
It's supposedly derived from a web series that I've never even heard of. So, there's that.
Also, so awesome to see you back, even if it's only for a short while!
Apparently JANE THE VIRGIN is still a thing. I honestly had no idea that show still on, in fact, I hadn't even heard or seen anything about it in a couple of years or so (and weren't they trying to do a black version of the show at some point?)
But what's the deal with SUPERGIRL? Is it canceled or not? I keep hearing that it's getting canceled because of low ratings, but it keeps coming back . . . or, is this like what kept happening with THE ODD COUPLE in the 70s where it got canceled every season, but then renewed after summer reruns when the numbers were better?
Yeah, I forgot about it too, which is interesting because I remember them advertising the heck out of it when it was first starting. I guess that's the big problem with modern TV: It doesn't matter how good the show is, if there's a lot of stuff on TV it'll eventually get forgotten. It's sad in a way. I mean, we're in a golden age of television, there's more great shows to choose from than ever before, so i'm not complaining about that. But, I wonder if their are too many? Also, Jane the Virgin got a little tedious over time, but that's beside the point...
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