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Help Save British Fraggle Rock Episodes

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by charlietheowl, Oct 6, 2012.

  1. Beige Fraggle

    Beige Fraggle Active Member

    Why is this a sticky thread?
  2. Rugratskid

    Rugratskid Well-Known Member

    Well, 64 is a lot! Hopefully the rest can be found. I also noticed a lot of Series 1 is missing. Also, if I ever find some episodes I would be SURE to let someone know!
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  3. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    I've updated my archive-status page with a running tally of the totals at the top, and screenshots for the 56 episodes I have copies of. Click on the thumbnail to see the full-size image!

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  4. blackiecats

    blackiecats Member

    Great update to the guide Alex with the title screenshots!

    I'm happy I could help find the missing episodes and by the time my contact has copied all his tapes we should hopefully have a much more complete UK episode collection archived!

    Incidently, if anyone can help me out in return I'd be very appreciative! I'm looking for episodes of The Sooty Show from between 1983-1987 recorded from UK broadcasts. I'm NOT looking for ANY episodes released on official VHS/DVD, so please don't offer these. I'd trade my Fraggle Rock episodes for any Sooty Show episodes I need for definate! (I will have most of the missing UK episodes very soon!)
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  5. skekKot

    skekKot Active Member

    Here is a link to some foreign-dubbed full episodes of FRAGGLE ROCK. {Swedish x1,Polish x12, Finnish x1, French & German} and also S03 Ep06 "Pebble Pox Blues" (U.K. version)
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  6. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the links.
  7. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    News! Off-air recordings of three more episodes have been located: Wembley and the Gorgs, The Lost Treasure of the Fraggles and Let the Water Run. I've updated my page with screenshots.

    Sadly the first of these is in very poor condition, but the other two are good.
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  8. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    That's great! :excited:
  9. Nodrog

    Nodrog New Member

    Great work Anathema!
    When Brian Henson was at the Edinburgh Festival this year, I took the opportunity to ask him about the status of the UK FR episodes in the Henson Archive. He seemed puzzled that they might be missing at all, but seemed confident that they would hold copies of the Uk-filmed inserts at least, if not complete episodes.

    Also, a friend might have another lead. Get in touch with me - @gordonbarr on twitter.
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  10. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    They definitely have at least some of the UK-shot postcards, as they turned up on one of the US DVD boxsets. A clip from a lighthouse scene also featured.

    When the first UK DVDs came out only 12 episodes were included. We were told that these were the only one which could be found; the others were missing presumed destroyed. Happily this isn't quite the case - another 17 exist at the BFI, but I don't know whether Henson are aware of these. It's also quite possible that all the episodes exist somewhere in the ex-TVS archive, which is now in the possession of Disney, but as the paperwork was lost some time ago we will never know unless and until someone is able to catalog the tapes.

    I'm not on Twitter, so I'll send you a message via the forum.
  11. mostlikemokey

    mostlikemokey Well-Known Member

    They can find missing episodes of Dr. Who, but we have to dig tooth and nail to find fraggle rock. I'm happy for Who, but I wish they'd give Henson as much attention.

    *uses sonic screwdriver to convert found fraggle rock episodes to useable file for the TARDIS*
  12. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    The recent recovery was the first major find for over 20 years, and nobody thought it would ever happen. There probably are more Doctor Who episodes out there, but - up until now - it was generally thought that we might find an odd episode in a private collection but nothing more than that. Recovering two complete (or near-complete) stories from a TV archive was something of a miracle.

    Fraggle was at least from the home-video age, so off-air recordings could exist. Who pre-dates that time.
  13. mostlikemokey

    mostlikemokey Well-Known Member

    Good point. Hey, they could have fallen through a time warp or something. XD
    And I meant to be a bit tongue and cheek in the above post. As you said, they were found against astronomical odds.
  14. Kermieuk

    Kermieuk Well-Known Member

    Did the UK episodes ever get broadcast in any other countries or did they always use the US versions in countries which didn't co produce there own versions??

  15. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    So far as we know the US/Canadian version was used in all countries bar the UK, France and Germany.
  16. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member


    Another 15 episodes have been recovered! They're all off-air recordings, and most are missing their opening and/or closing titles with a few also missing a few seconds from the opening/closing scenes, but they are substantially complete. The titles are:

    I Don't Care
    Catch the Tail by the Tiger
    The Finger of Light
    The Challenge
    New Trash Heap in Town
    Uncle Matt Comes Home
    Boober and the Glob
    The Secret Society of Poohbahs
    The Incredible Shrinking Mokey
    Wembley's Wonderful Whoopiee Water
    The Grapes of Generosity
    The Cavern of Lost Dreams
    Playing 'til it Hurts
    Junior Faces the Music
    Beyond the Pond

    Details and screenshots are on my site as usual.

    With this discovery, we now have 82 episodes known to exist in some form.
  17. theSHE124

    theSHE124 Well-Known Member

    Calm down, new member! :concern: I'm sure Alex is getting your message by now!
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  18. johnpeters999

    johnpeters999 Well-Known Member

    Challenge TV is having one more final try at getting TVS Catchphrase. This does mean someone will have to look out the archive/paperwork/ ex employers IF some progress is actually made. Hold your horse its a very long way away yet.

    The main reason why DW episodes are still turning up is because there were sent around the world. The is a chance somewhere in the ITV archive some copies could be held since like crossroads etc things were moved around. of ITV would have to look out for stuff, while cleaning out the archives.

    The point about "Brian Henson" for him to be puzzled is puzzling, since there have not released a proper UK series dics, unless the trouble has been really lazy DVD companies like HIT and who ever it is now.

    HIT did ask Hensons archive about this and look high and low, and never got a proper answers, hence the reason why HIT never released a full DVD set.

    I have to ask Anathema, what is the plan, once you have found all the episodes? Will copies be sent to the BFI? To Henson? will you continue to look for better copies of certain episodes?
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  19. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    I don't know anything about HIT's involvement; the original UK DVD release was from Columbia Tristar, which was when we learnt that only 12 episodes could be found.

    The shows I locate are sent to Kaleidoscope, who will pass them onto the National Film Archive. And yes, I'm always on the lookout for better recordings! While we have found 82 episodes, which is an amazing total, most of these are on VHS and many are incomplete (missing titles/credits) and/or in poor condition. Only 29 are known to exist in broadcast-quality.

    Copies of Fraggle were sent to other ITV broadcasters for non-networked repeat showings, but all the tapes were returned to TVS (and presumably wiped for reuse).
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  20. johnpeters999

    johnpeters999 Well-Known Member

    HIT's involvement was around 2005-2008? when there held the DVD rights etc, I did email them etc and there also come back to " we don't know" and decide it would be a waste of money releasing the USA dvd.

    Have you sent any details of this to Henson? Who might be able to take the best ones and release another DVD set. Just look at the improvements made to Doctor who.

    What I still dont understand is WHY has the 29 broadcast-quality, episodes not been released on DVD? as the best etc. which would have been better than USA DVD?

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