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"Hidden Messages" in The Muppets (2011)

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by JustinHoskie, Mar 27, 2012.

  1. JustinHoskie

    JustinHoskie Active Member

    Now, there is a tradition of wack-jobs saying that Disney is trying to corrupt the youth of America by hiding secret messages in their film, from a certain part of the male anatomy hidden in the cover art for The Little Mermaid VHS, to Aladdin urging teenagers to take off their clothes. Well.... I may be one of those whack-jobs.

    Is it me, or is there something written in the fireworks during the finale, between the Mickey Mouse head and "The End"? I'm not saying it's bad, I'm sure it's would be a quick joke or nod to something else, but I can kind-off see something written. It could just be a random pattern, but I swear I can see something. Am I crazy, or is there something there?

    Also, did anybody catch what Fozzie's breath says when he cleans off the camera during the intermission mode?
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

  3. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I agree that its a Mickey reference with the fireworks, but I too wondered if there was some other wording in there...Not sure what though.
  4. JustinHoskie

    JustinHoskie Active Member

    I've heard of hidden Mickeys (I'm actually the type of person who looks for them), but I swear there's something after it.
  5. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

  6. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    our eyes play tricks on us all the time perhaps you saw mickey and while wanting to find something your mind fabricated another image..ive sone this and so have many in movies
  7. Alvin

    Alvin Well-Known Member

    "supposedly" there are hidden mickeys in every disney movie...I have yet to see any...but I have heard they are there.
  8. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    at the end of the Muppets almost the first fireworks make the mickey heads...once you start reading on them they are easy to find in all films...ive found it in beauty and the beast and lion king

    but its not just the movies they are all over the parks as well
  9. CountFan1998

    CountFan1998 Well-Known Member

    You know they're probably fake right? Just make sure that rumors don't spread! :eek: We don't want Disney dealing with another controversy about subliminal messages... :oops:
  10. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    While a lot of "hidden messages" in movies are often people with too much time on their hands looking for fire where there's no smoke, hidden mickeys are a real thing that animators, theme park designers, and other Disney filmmakers purposely include in their projects...kind of a live-action "Where's Waldo" as it were.

    ...and yes i also recognized the fireworks as being a Hidden Mickey - when you've got enough people saying they saw one at the same moment, it can't be written off as fake. MuppetVision3D also had 'em.
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  11. JustinHoskie

    JustinHoskie Active Member

    I do want it to be known that when I say "hidden messages", I don't mean "messages that are meant to corrupt people." I just meant as a hidden joke or reference to something else.
  12. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    That's definitely a hidden fireworks Mickey. I didn't notice the Fozzie Intermission thing. What is it?

    Some people are upset that there are environmental and anti-corporate messages in "The Muppets" but I think that most of it is short-sighted, cynical and comes from a place of tactical dishonesty.

    I was surprised that green energy or conservation wasn't mentioned because Jim Henson himself produced a lot of environmental advertisements with the Muppets.

    Also, the Muppets began as performers in commercials for corporations. Not to mention the idea that Disney would release anti-corporation propaganda is laughable. It's not like they would have missed that! I do agree that the corporate oil tycoon premise was a kind of hackneyed contrivance, but I think that was the point. Use of a familiar device keeps the focus on the Muppets rather than the conflict. I'm not saying that's exactly the way I would have gone. Either way, it worked.

    There are critics out there who aren't happy about the product placement of the Red Bull can in the network pitch meeting, the Economist references or the Cars 2 billboards. That really didn't bug me. In fact, I expected more of them. Did I miss some? They were a great deal more thoughtful and restrained than product placements usually are.

    I actually wish there were more hidden gems in the movie.
  13. JustinHoskie

    JustinHoskie Active Member

    During Intermission Mode on the Blu-Ray, Fozzie comes up to the camera, breaths on it, and wipes it off with a cloth; when he fogs it up with his breath, I saw something written in it. However, I grabbed my remote too late and couldn't go back to see what it was.

    Edit: I decided to play Intermission Mode to try and find it and, as luck would have it, it was in the first segment that played! Nothing major; all it says is "Check out the blooper reel!" (For anyone wondering, it's in the segment where the stage-hands keep changing the "Intermission" sign.)
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Unless they're Pixar. Wall*e kinda was very anti-corporate. But then again, you could say The Incredibles ties into an Ayn Rand style tale about the government suppressing its supermen, so there's always some tiny interpretation of something. Cars 2 introduced a brilliant conspiracy theory about alternative fuels and oil corporations.

    But there was no soap box in this movie. I still fail to see why everyone ignores the ending where Richman willfully gives the studio back to them.
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  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I feel like it might not be as noticable because it's during the credits, when people in the theater might start getting up and leaving despite there being more (and the sounds of them leaving could distract those trying to watch).

    Something has hit me: The new Disney "Intermission" feature makes it hard to pause a scene for too long, and a big icon quickly appears over the screen just before cutting to an intermission. Although you can turn the feature off, I wonder if maybe Disney came up with it to avoid people freeze-framing scenes on the Blu-Ray, where things could look clearer and maybe easier to spot (though some say that Blu-ray doesn't really make a big visual difference on contemporary films, which are made in the better quality before release).
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  16. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I noticed this too. There's always a square on the bottom left hand side that shows a large still-frame from the timeline. Many Disney releases do this. One of the great things about Blu-ray is the screen clarity. Kind of defeats the purpose. Does that toggle?
  17. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    You know when I first saw the movie I was a little upset that they hada cars 2 billboard , but I went to the Diseny Store for a kids event with my daughters and they had a trivia game where they pointed out that Disney movies usually have a reference to other movie (most often the one that came out previously) for instance in Alladin the Sultan is stacking toys and one of them is the Beast from Beauty and the Beast. Pixar does this all the time too. While I sih it didn't seem like a blatant ad it doesn't bother me quite as much. I think its a neat thing to do. The Muppets of course references their previous works too...though I iwsh they wouldn't have hinted at Together Again so often and then not perform it.
  18. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Where is that Mickey? I don't see it, can someone point it out to me?
  19. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I was kinda surprised to see that too, but apparently the sign was for Gnomeo and Juliet which FX digitally removed and replaced with Cars 2.
    I see Pixar doing that all the time. In Toy Story 3 you can find a Cars toy somewhere in Andy's room. In Boo's room in Monsters Inc, she has a Jessie and Nemo toy in there. And Pixar just hides a lot of stuff in their movies, like their phone number can be found in Monsters Inc. (their number has changed since then). Their adress can be seen in Cars. Plus a Muppet reference, in Presto, the animated short before Wall-E, Statler and Waldorf can be seen in a box in the backaround.
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  20. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


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