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Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by frogboy4, Jan 11, 2009.
Lol Alice Cooper. I am so using the devil soul thing though.
*pulls topic back on topic*
Remember, this isn't so much a 'my favorite one' topic so much as it is a record of the order of when everyone saw what shows and how it effected their pov. I think for me, because of what I saw first, I see the muppets as being much more little hearted, and link things more with them being out in the world or in a normal house setting than on stage or broadway
Gee, that's a good question. I know I wouldn't have been able to watch Sesame Street from probably '93 to '95 (no TV), but I know I saw the "around the corner" seasons, despite being (technically) too old for it. I distinctly remember Ruth Buzzi's character and the Furry Arms Hotel. I also remember I didn't really like Ingrid and Humphrey at the time, though now I think they're kinda funny.
About a year after I started coming onto this site I started really getting into Jim Henson's experimental work (till have to see Youth '68 and The Cube). Besides that, my current Muppet fandom status is filling in the gaps. Discovering the old that I missed out on. Technically, my Muppet fandom began with The Muppet Show, but I just hadn't seen very much of it until recently. This is the trouble of being a broke kid who grew up in the Muppet-starved (or rather, Muppet-malnurished) '90s.
Well, The Cube is available on Google Video. That's where I saw it.
I remember Dark Cystal being one of my favorites as a kid, but also being really scared of it at the same time. I think in most of Henson's work there was a dark element. Even in SS.
Somehow I can relate with this a little bit. I had to experience moving up to Maine when I was 16 from my native state of MD. I had a very artist backround, and the art teacher in Maine rejected me because I wore a lot of black and skeleton pendents. Hang in there!
Thanks. but are you serious? How can people be so judgemental?
Oh yeah, I saw The Cube at a screening of Henson's early works. I found it rather depressing, and I thought it went fer too long. But hey- that's just my opinion.
(Oh- and about the muffining, sah-ree y'all )
Maybe the order of seeing Jim’s fantasy films or the fact of viewing them in the theaters leads me to appreciate them in descending order, but I feel it comes down to aspects of human nature. For some the lack of people in the Dark Crystal kept them at arms-length from the action. For others the lack of scary moments and jeopardy kept them from enjoying Labyrinth as Jim intended.
I remember seeing the Dark Crystal in the theater. I remember initially wanting more Muppety edge (I was a kid) but found myself quickly absorbed into the entirely human-less alien world that Jim, Frank and Froud had created. Of course all of this was before the age of GC. That means beautiful matte paintings and intense planning in the preproduction phase. It is such a well crafted film. The one criticism I've heard has to do with some viewers’ inability to connect with the characters. There was a leap the audience had to take in accepting the Gelflings as the humans that occurred with some more than others. The film had a story, a history and a sense of purpose. There was urgency, jeopardy and destiny. I am proud to call this one of my favorite films.
On the other side we have Labyrinth many years later. I adore the Bowie tunes (I am a fan), the look of the film, the humor and the characters. I also like the addition of human cast members this time out. The one issue I had with the picture was that it seems to be constantly floating in one of Jereth's bubbles. I didn't feel enough fear or jeopardy in the story. I would have liked an additional layer of creepiness contained in the moodier Storyteller episodes. Toby just never seemed to be in trouble and I really felt it as a teenager sitting in the theater. It's a beautiful film and I love it very much, but it's not on any of my top spots. I never understood why Jim didn't comprehend that bit. Kids like to be scared and there just wasn't enough written in the screenplay. The film often makes me want to take my own journey away from the camera set up. There's so much wealth in the margins and characters, just not enough intensity in the plot for me.
For me I had no trouble seeing the characters in DC as humans even if they weren't, that was never my trouble. In fact I love non-human heros, and have no trouble connecting to them, weather they are elfs, fairies, animals, or fraggles...
My trouble is that the world of the DC was very pretty, but so much of it is not talked about and just goes by, and I feel like I am missing a lot..and as a writer that annoys me...It's like if Star wars or Star Trek had stopped at one movie or episode and the makers had said 'there's the universes world, understand it!' ...It's not the fact that their not human, it is that a lor of depth is lost IMHO, and poor Jen's character sort of feels a bit cardbroady because of it to me (which any character would if you take away/don't show a lot about their race, even humans. If humans were in a fantasy I'd still like to feel what made them themselves).
DC felt to me like it was more in a bubble than Labyrinth ever was (not that that is a bad thing). I could feel there was danger in Labtrinth but it is more understated, it's not the same type. Sort of like how Jareth is not is not the same type of villain..and I won't want him to be . But I am one of the few fans that even as an adult thinks that the labyrinth is a real place vs. just being Sarah's dream and that still thinks the ending was a real let down (Somehow there seems to be this idea that as an adult fan you're suppose to love the ending and think that baby Toby and Sarah staying there would have been the worst thing ever but, meh. If I was Sarah's age and that happened to me, I would have stayed. Yes, I know, selfish, selfish, baby hater, boo hiss -.- I guess at heart I think Jareth and I would have fun fighting with each other :3) For all the 'growing' that Sarah is said to do she does not seem to change at all to me, she's still just reading from the book :\.
But that is what I meant about Labyrinth being understated, it is really an evil that makes you think...DC's evil was just evil evil that had all its goodness split from it (not that there is anything wrong with that)
I like The Dark Crystal, but from what I've seen of the original cut, it could have been so much better. I don't think a more general audience would have liked it as much, but it just makes sense to me. I love the idea of telling a story with only visuals and music. Some of the original dailogue (what little there was) seemed better, too. I think I would have enjoyed Jim's original vision alot more, though what was created was unique and I do enjoy the experience of watching it very much.
I think part of The Dark Crystal was not knowing much about their environment, but accepting it as fitting to the characters. I think not understanding the world adds to its depth. That's something George Lucas talked about when making the Star Wars movies. He liked the idea of being dropped into a completely different culture and trying to understand it. That's why his movies are partly influenced by Akira Kirosawa's work. It's an interesting experience to suddenly find yourself absorbed in another country's culture and sensibilities when you're so used to something different. That's sort of the way I view The Dark Crystal.
I think Labyrinth could have used a bit more creepiness. But maybe that was left out because of the reaction to The Dark Crystal. I like Labyrinth alot, probably more than The Dark Crystal, but I do think it could have been darker and edgier while still keeping its sense of humor (and music). The overall look of both films is incredible. Jim Henson was really a master at creating a visually amazing film.
I remember seeing both of these films for the first time on bad VHS copies. They're so much better in their widescreen format, and I hope I'll get the opportunity to see them on the big screen one day.
It's interesting, but sometimes interesting just isn't enough for me... It's not so much being told things that I would have wanted as being shown things about the world and history that linked up more so I could feel for the characters more. Even in Fraggle Rock, you did get the feeling that the world had been around for a long time and you were only visiting, but those visits and how the characters acted and did things did show the veiwer more about its world than DC IMHO. I do think that the Star Wars world also did that more than DC, even if George Lucas would rather not think so, he does add depth through understanding :3.
Anyway, it's just a small peeve, I'm not saying DC doesn't look wonderful or isn't a good movie, just what I think (to me) would have made it even better as a fantasy lover who always picks hobbits and centaurs over humans
I'm liking this thread. I'd never really thought about it before, but i guess i must have started with Sesame Street which used to be on at 6am every weekday and sometimes around lunchtime i think. I remember being delighted to be able to watch it when i was home from school ill so it must have been lunchtime-ish. that was when i was little, but every now and again i'd catch it as i got older and be just as happy to see it.
we had 2 MB videos (me and my brother) around the same time, but i don't ever recall watching it on TV just the videos, one of which mysteriously disappeared...grrrr
my whole young childhood is a bit of a blur, but at some point i remember Dinosaurs being on at the weekends when we got back from our weekly food shop.
I think i was about 7 or 8 when i saw the TMS. i think it was on friday evenings just before bed time thy were showing re-runs on channel 4. I don't remember any of the episodes i saw then i just remember i really liked it and forcing my best friend to sit and watch it when we had a sleep over.
I was impressed by the Hoobs when that came out by which time i was probably 13. It was around this age that i started to see any of the films and took to them more than the people i saw them with. Its only the last few years i've really started to get properly obsessed so i'm a bit of a late starter. I just bought every DVD i saw with the Muppets on the cover. I've pretty much been on my own in my discovery and love for them though.
when i turned 18 i got the kermit from the Jim Henson Company logo tattooed on my arm to show my love. its strange though that the only time i saw that picture was at the beginning of my MB videos.
Until only a year or 2 ago i had never seen Fraggle Rock, but i knew the theme song from a punk cover i heard a long time before
I've still not seen any DC or anything like that though. I should really find some and get round to it.
Not much of an order but that's my life in Henson shows up until now.
LOL, luckily Barney and the Tellitubbies were after my time. When I was little we had Sesame Street, Mr. Roger's, and Captin Kangaroo. I also watched the Great Space Coaster, 3-2-1 Contact, and virtually everything else on MPT. My mom always told us "no TV unless its edicational" So I was raised on public television
Let's just say neither the woman or the entire town was ready for me. Oh those Blue Hill people were so easy. I was a sheltered county kid who never sat foot in Baltimore City unless in was Harbor Place, but they thought I wast from Hard Knocks because I said Baltimore. What I meant was Baltimore County. But they don't know the difference LOL
I do not like the Dark Crystal at all. It was just way too slow and overall boring. The environments and characcters where really nicely designed, but overall, the movie just didnt appeal to me.
Labyrinth I think I was first exposed to it in...hrmmm...5th grade. We had a travelling puppet "museum" come to our school and they showed the making of Labyrinth (th one on the dvd). That school had a movie day where each teacher showed a movie. Well, one teacher, because of the "museum" showed Labyrinth. One Also showed Dark Crystal. I went to Labyrinth. It wasnt until...2 years ago that I actually saw Dark Crystal. That was the same time I got both movies on DVD. Letsjust say, Labyrinth has seem much light of day, while Dark Crystal as only been out of the case once
and I still have not seen Fraggle Rock
I remember watching Sesame Street a bit when I was young. Also I remember Muppets tonight.
But I got really interested in the Muppets from watching Muppets Treasure Island and Muppets Christmas Carol...some years later.
Then I joined here and discovered Fraggle Rock...which is now my favourite
I've known FR fer as long as I can remember, because of old videos and stuff. I think I got back into them though when I was about 12, because I remember talking about it to a teacher in primary school who loved it, just before the box-set came out.
My favourite's prolly TMS, but I love SST just as much. ^^
One thing about SS is that I appriciate it more than ever now as an adult. Especially the skits that were on before I was born. It wasn't until I read Street Gang that I even knew that two other men played Gordon before Roscoe Orman. Also watching some of those skits from the 70's of Northern Calloway (David) when he was at his prime, really is a bitter sweet experience. Oh and those muppets like Roosevelt Franklin, that were banned, are funny to see also.
I can remember quite a bit of what I watched when I was like 3 or 4 years old, before I moved house, and I can Remember SST quite clearly, along with various other shows I love now. I still think they killed Postman Pat with the remake though. But the voices haven't changed that much.
Oh yeah, the remake! I remember the original Postman Pat pretty well, it's like how they remade Fireman Sam (but it still has that problem child that starts all the fires, lol), not the same, but meh- I still watch 'em all. XD
Ooh! Another Henson show I remember watching! The Secret Life of Toys! I haven't seen that fer ages... since it aired on ABC in the 90s.
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