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I Want To Talk About Kevin Clash

Discussion in 'Henson People' started by rachelfromatlanta, Oct 16, 2006.

  1. rachelfromatlanta

    rachelfromatlanta New Member

    Hi,

    I am very new here (I think this is only my third post). I am sure Kevin is mentioned all over MC, but I am having a little trouble figuring out exactly how everything works here. I did a search, but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for.

    I don't think it will kill anyone if I start a new thread ... or will it?! :eek: (LOL!) It might be nice to put are comments all in one place anyway.


    I realize that a lot of Muppet fans can not stand Elmo. (Some are quite vocal about it!) - But Elmo certainly did fulfill it's purpose! (and then some) It was a character developed especially for the young kids who watch SS. (I would have LOVED Elmo back when I was a baby watching Sesame on my mothers lap!)

    The mere fact that Elmo's popularity skyrocketed with the kids it was meant for plus older kids, plus teenagers, PLUS ADULTS (for 20+ years!!) means that Kevin Clash has been doing something right! Kevin has real talent! (And let's not forget he does more than Elmo) He is no flash in the pan!

    So even IF we don't care for "Elmo" we have to give Kevin his props!

    Someone on here (can't remember who) said it was hard to get into his book. I guess that person is not an Elmo fan ... but still ... Everyone who doesn't like Elmo should clear their mind and read the book anyway. I thought it was incredible. I couldn't put it down! ... Just to read about how he grew up having an obsessive interest in puppets. WOW! It really takes you into the mind of a muppeteer. I am sure many of them have similar stories. (This really has nothing to do with Elmo)

    That brings me to something else I want to say. I was chatting with someone about Kevin and he mentioned that Kevin is really a terrible person and he was only hired by Jim Henson because of affirmative action.

    1. I can not and will not believe (until someone can produce cold hard facts) that Kevin is really a mean person in his personal life. I just don't see how that is possible with his upbringing and his true love for children. To perform someone like Elmo - you have to become the character or it will never fly. - He would never have become so successful as Elmo if he was really a bad person! (I am very into psychology) - I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

    2. The affirmative action comment was the stupidest piece of garbage I ever heard! Kevin was BORN to be a puppeteer! He has the passion and the talent ... and Sesame was not his first show. (I'm sure everyone remembers a little show called The Great Space Coasters!) - I've read the book. I know how hard Kevin has worked to get to where he is. (I've also read Jim Henson: The Works - The Art, the Magic, the Imagination which talked about Kevin very favorably) - PLUS, would Jim Henson risk his reputation to hire someone who was sub par? :rolleyes:

    So let's talk about Kevin Clash. Let's not argue - we all don't have to agree (what a boring place the world would be then!) - but let's have a nice mature discussion about are thoughts and feeling on Mr. Clash (and it doesn't all have to be about Elmo)
  2. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Active Member

    ACK!
    *drops dead
    Really? I've never heard that before. I'd say don't even give a rumor like that a second thought, it sounds ignorant. On the other note, I got no issues with Elmo, he's cool, I'd hang with 'im. Think he'd go chill at a pub with me? ;)

    And welcome!
  3. Punch'n'Judy

    Punch'n'Judy New Member

    The book is good (not as good as Carroll Spinney's - in my opinion) but there is a lot that has been left out.
  4. rachelfromatlanta

    rachelfromatlanta New Member


    Don't get me wrong - I am not naive. I understand that people (ALL PEOPLE) have many sides to them. I will use Rosie O'Donnell as an example. The public thought she was "the Queen of Nice" and then there were always rumors floating around that she was no saint. ... Then people learned the TRUTH - She is HUMAN. The nice act was not necessarily an act, but she has good days and bad and has a bit of an "Irish Temper" (as she herself put it)


    So no, I don't think Kevin is nice all the time -NO ONE IS!

    I don't think it is very fair to come on here and reply that you know the truth and then don' t give any examples. :boo:

    No one is asking you to type all day! Just 1 or 2 examples would be fine.
  5. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I agree tremendously. Nobody is perfect. There's a dark side to all of us or skeletons in our closet. I've met Kevin Clash several times now, know people who have worked with him, etc. For the most part everyone seems to like him. I'm sure he's not perfect but who is? I'm normally a very kind, friendly person but I have my "dark" side too.
    I've met Rosie O'Donnell as well, she was so sweet to me and my mom when we met her last year at an event here in NYC. But she's an Aries so she has very strong personality traits where she can be the nicest, kindest person on earth but in a second can totally turn into a b----. But most of us are like that. Celebrities or people in the public eye, entertainment industry whatever are no different.

  6. Giar Fraggle

    Giar Fraggle Member

    If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

    Let's keep the conversation positive--how would you feel if you wandered onto an online forum where people were discussing all of your negative traits?
  7. rachelfromatlanta

    rachelfromatlanta New Member

    Not sure who this comment is directed to - I was just saying that I am tired of hearing people talking how terrible he is without being able to back it up.

    I have done some more searching on here since starting this thread and so far I have seen one comment about him being a jerk because in a 5minute interview promoting HIS book on the Today Show he didn't mention Jim Henson and the Muppets :rolleyes:

    Another person was upset because he wasn't all smiles and sunshine during an interview! (Ever watch American Idol?!)

    I really truly believe that Kevin is genuine. If I am wrong, I want proof.

    For the most part I just wanted to talk about him because the book really touched me. I have heard some of those stories before, but the book was so well written and inspirational (to me) I became even more of a fan of his then I already was. - And it was real. He didn't have to talk about his divorce, but he did. - His deep admiration for Jim was evident too (so anyone who want s to complain that he forgot where he came from can just put a sock in it! :attitude: LOL!)

    I am just in the mood where I would like to discuss it. :) - No one is obligated to post here.
  8. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Rachel, I want to first welcome you here, and also I appreciate this thread. I have a respect for Kevin Clash and his work. I agree with all you've said about him.
  9. rachelfromatlanta

    rachelfromatlanta New Member

    THANKS BEAR!

    I am jumping in here face first! :D


    Is "Bear" like "Bear in the Big Blue House"? If yes: I LOVE that show! I have developed a great amount of admiration for Noel Macneal. (Actually, I think I'm turning into somewhat of a "Puppet Groupie"! ;) )
  10. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Yeah, my user name is based on Bear in the Big Blue House and also it's just a nickname I've been given when I joined the forum. I am also a fan of BITBBH. It's a great show. I don't really watch it that much (I am more a Sesame guy) but I like it. I am sad that the show is coming to an end.
  11. Kiki

    Kiki Active Member

    Welcome to MC, Rachel! :excited:

    I think Kevin Clash is great. Of coarse, I havn't met him personally, but I remember writing to him (2 pages long) and sending him a drawing I did of Elmo. Within a month I came home from school to find this fairly big package from america and I was like *GASP!* 'It's from kevin Clash, I know it is!' Anyhoo, i opened it up and he kindly gave me an autographed pic of Elmo saying: To: Katie, thanks for the drawing! W/ love, Elmo and K.Clash. AND an Elmo hand puppet... I. Was. Over. The. MOON!

    I just thought it was soo kind and generous of him to give me that, and all in all he sounds like a really great guy, and I think he's doing the right think with Elmo. I have never rully hold a grudge against the lil' guy, kids (yes, AND adults) love him. ;)
  12. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Active Member

    Wow, that's an awesme story, Kiki!
  13. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    When Richard Hunt was aduitioning people for fraggle rock, you here stories form some of the other puppet tears from the show that people were crying and saying I thought they were going to be nice people.

    Because he had people crying leaving, does this make Richard a tough guy? Or does it make him disisplined in his field of study and want to hire people who know what there doing some what. Does it make him mean? Was he just messing with people to have a good laugh? Or did those people just not understand the kind of person he really was.

    Kevin was mentored by the same man and he now recruts talent for Sesame Street himself. While I'm sure he's probably not Richard level kidding with people, I'm sure he has a bit of that in him. And I'm sure he can come across as kind of tough auditioning people. I'm sure he's a nice guy most of the time. Was Jim every not nice and did he not have better day's then others. Was Frank always the happiest person in the world all the time? Are these people not human?

    Kevin was part of that last generation of puppetears that had a chance to work with the original core group of Muppetears. These included David Rudman, Marty Robinson, Kerin pareal, Kathy Mullen as well as other who came around that time. He's almost like a gap between the old school and the new, just rith in that time in history where the vetrans were getting them ready to leav it in the hands a little bit and you see a little less of them around even thought there persens we always be felt.

    Kevins nethier a new or old Muppetear, so another reason for tihs would be becaus a lot of the newbies have been trained by him and others. I mean he's had the opportunity to be trained by Jim and Frank, and even guy's like Bill have learned a lot from Frank. His talent's speak for themselves, and he has earnd his places as a principal Muppetear.

    He was also the very last hope for a generation of characters on Sesame Street how never made it. Don't get me wrong, It certanly didn't mean that Karen was not talented just because she was not ready for the pase of Sesame Street at the time. But it shows true sign's of a future up and comming talent to show that you can make a characters woke as well as he did.
  14. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    That's a very good point, ilikemuppets! And you know the old saying, "Nice is different than good." Being a tough teacher doesn't mean you're not a good one.

    And by the same token, just because someone appears nice, doesn't mean they are good. I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just pointing it out.
  15. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    That's true Haraled. You cna be a nice guy and not be very good at what you do.
  16. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Ah, the Great Space Coaster. What an awesome show! Wish they had DVD's of it...

    Even though I'm not an Elmo fan, I do admire Kevin Clash's hard work he has done over the years. Call me old fashioned, but my favorite character of his was Goriddle Gorilla from the Great Space Coaster. There's an official site here.

    http://www.tgscoaster.com/

    Convincing John
  17. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    You're not old fashion at all, That's a great caracter to love. But I'm not as old as you so I don't remember him, LOL!
  18. rachelfromatlanta

    rachelfromatlanta New Member

    I wrote about this on a Noel Macneal thread, but here is JimMartin's homepage http://members.aol.com/jimmartin15/ (Gary Gnu) he has a good section on GSC as well as many other shows he was a part of.

    Did you happen to see the GSC spoof on Family Guy? It was on one of the GSC websites that I viewed recently, but I can't find it now to give you a link :cry:

    It was so FUNNY!!
  19. rachelfromatlanta

    rachelfromatlanta New Member

  20. OverUnderAround

    OverUnderAround New Member

    Please don't believe who told you that.
    If you have ever been in a room when Kevin works Elmo, you see the magic come alive. The guy is a really gifted performer.

    You can't notice this on television but Clash does Elmo as loud as a siren.:eek:


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