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If "The Muppets" is a success: What's next?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Beauregard, May 22, 2011.

  1. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    So, I was thinking. There's this huge movie concept of The Muppets, which brings all the characters back together, and it also reflects where they are in their 'lives' -- as in bringing them back to mainstream.

    But something I've been wondering is, what will be next for them?

    Will people expect the next movie to be a direct sequel to this movie? Could they ever do something as diverse as claiming a genre (The Muppet Caper) and just playing themselves in another role? Would they ever tackle a classic again, and if so, would that work for them?

    I suppose it may depend upon whether they have a tv series, etc, following the movie. But assuming that they don't return to tv, but that the movie is a big enough success to warrant another movie quite soon after...Who will script in? Will there be a major star at the helm as Jason was? Do they need that kind of star power to push forward? Who will be the 'passion' behind the project?

    Just some thoughts to ponder on...
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Releasing the Barg Flarglin', Rag Bragglin' Season 4 of the Muppet Show finally after all these years, perhaps?
  3. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Haha! Yes, obviously more merchandise. I was really thinking about what movie could be next. I think the closest that we have to a comedy-troupe who do different movies and play similar characters these days is the Judd Apatow gang.

    Back when we had things like the Carry On films where the group of actors played different parts, it would have been normal to see The Muppets as newspaper reporters one day, college graduates the next...Now, I'm not sure how well people will get the concept, given that we are so used to linear style story lines these days (with many many films getting sequels/trilogies, etc).
  4. ilovemusic

    ilovemusic Well-Known Member

    I think the movie will be a ´story´ again, like TMTM or TGMC, because it won´t be nice if the characters are ´old´ and ´retired´, that would give the watchers the idea of "Gees, that was the last muppet movie!"
    Myslef, I'm also in that idea. I mean, if they would be 'older', indeed, what's next? "The Muppets in: Retirement Home Upside Down!" No sorry, that's tóó, you know.
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    And also release more existing Muppet stuff on DVD as well (and not just as bonus features on the season sets). Releasing The Frog Prince on DVD should have been a no-brainer when The Princess and the Frog came out.

    And maybe they'll finally make that halloween special that's been announced for years.

    I was thinking recently, if the Muppets do a new series, maybe the Muppets could do a sitcom. I'm thinking have the Muppets all working an office job, with Family Guy-style cut-aways.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I, for one, NEVER want to see another classic retelling. MCC and MTI were well done films, but MCC wasn't all that Muppety, especially with the lead being a human (a good actor, but still a human) and the Muppets played third to him. MTI got it better, with new Muppet characters filling roles, but still... Kermit came in 2/3s the way in of the film. Oz was just... let's say it was a mess of competing demographics and be done with it.

    The ONLY people that got Classic Retellings done RIGHT are the Boom Studios staff. Even with the weaker Robin Hood and Sherlock Holmes lines. I want the Muppets to play themselves and be the focus of the movie in every movie. It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out, since 2 humans and a new Muppet character are a lead in to the Muppet storyline.

    overall, I want a GOOD script. I want someone just as passionate as Segal and Stoller to do the next one, and not have a half done, rushed script that everyone takes a pass on like MFS.
  7. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    Seeing a new Muppet TV show might be cool.
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Muppet films instead of Muppet classic literature films. There is a place for the Muppetized retelling of classic stories and that is in segments on television specials rather than assigning the gimmick to an entire motion picture. I think they've figured that out by now.

    I hope the films keep coming and it would be great to see some television specials too. I'm not sure we'll ever get a weekly show in this climate and maybe that's a good thing. TV is so cutthroat these days and I wouldn't want to see the Muppets tucked away for another decade simply because Neilson ratings rate higher for "The Biggest Losing Naked Island Bachelorette Hoarding Housewife Apprentice - Home Edition" piece of toxic, forgettable garbage. Specials first, then maaaaaybe a weekly show later.

    You know, why not bring the Muppets to a summer miniseries? I think a run of 4 separate, star-studded hour-long specials to air opposite summertime reruns would be a fantastic idea. Something in the family hour. An order of 4 shows would be much easier and self-contained than an entire series. It can also easily be packaged for the home video and itunes market afterward. You know, that's what I hope Disney does with them. I think it could work and it doesn't present much danger to the brand. :)
  9. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Ooh! A Mini-series would be great! And not so dependent on ratings. And would provide brand new content for DVD sales. I really like that idea.
  10. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    More NEW Muppet films! New specials! A HALLOWEEN SPECIAL!


    ung...sorry...got carried away there, I think...
  11. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    yeah! i WAS sooo looking forward to that MUPPET HALLOWEEN SPECIAL too! :(
  12. TSSD

    TSSD Well-Known Member

    Really? But I heard that it's being filmed at the Jersey Shore this season!

    But I agree, a mini series os a good idea, not only from our standpoint, but from Disney's standpoint, for several reasons.
    First off, it's a great way for Disney to keep the Muppets out there, so the Muppets keep selling.
    Second off, like you said, it creates new contents for DVD's, hence more merch.
    Third off, it helps Disney test the waters to see if they want to do a full TV series, which they have to be considering for if the movie does well.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I think Im probably the only person on MC here who could care less if the Halloween special is ever made(never cared for Halloween myself), and Season 4...eh...it'll come if it's meant to be. Til then, you know where to find all the episodes(as well as of Muppet Babies, Muppets Tonight, JHH, etc)

    Given a lot of Muppet fans never thought Disney would be putting this much prestige and big flagship push for a Muppet film with A-listers and lots of heart...I say just that in itself means that if things take off, there's nothing out of the question when it comes to what cool stuff could be in the works down the road(or already planned)
  14. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    From what i was aware of, at all the past years media industry licensing and branding, tv exporting etc shows, Diz were trying to shop the idea of a Muppet TV show ... so whether that ends up being a series or one off specials i think we will definitely see some form of TV between movies (assuming there is another movie if this is any kind of a success, which the odds seem high it will be since there's a fair bit of media enthusiasm). I hope so, as they need to keep up the momentum with the public once something is actually released. 2012 needs to be a big year!
  15. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Yeah...see, what I'm wondering is whether the media attention, etc, is really being garnered from this being a unique return of the Muppets...Disney will have to work to keep them interested once its over. I'm sure they can, but they'll need to keep up the originality and the use of multi-media marketing.
  16. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Okay, i'm going to mention a major spoiler from an early draft of the script - but i imagine this is something that will be done differently in the film itself as it would be too misleading and confusing if it wasn't the case outside of the movie...

    An ABC Executive (and it is very specifically referenced as being an "ABC Executive" - that's what the character is named throughout the script) and the Muppets agree to bring The Muppet Show back to television. Now i'm sure this was Segel being a bit overconfident and if Disney doesn't actually plan to do this, i'm sure that will be tweaked in the movie. But it does tend to make one wonder if some major television follow-up, be it series, specials, series of specials, miniseries or what have you would be The Next Step.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    With MCC and MTi it was an experiment in trying to get the characters back into the spotlight after the deaths of Henson and Richard Hunt... they worked on the level that they were well written and well done, but they didn't have quite the special spark. MTI came very close, only because of the wackiness of the pirates and pig natives, but MCC felt very much like they were guests in their own movie. Oz was a script that somehow was sitting on top of a bunch of better, funnier, fresher scripts and got noticed. Fox's credit shines as a sneaky suspicion that it was meant to be made well before Disney was buying them out. The advertisements for American Idol (as subliminal as they were) kinda hint that it was meant as a Fox Holiday special.

    The bright spots of MFS, VMX, and LTS... hey, at least they had the Muppets as the main stars. Though MFS had a LOT of screentime for Jeffery Tambor... but at least he shared it with Bobo.

    Nielsen ratings don't enter into it by that much... it's also the non-union sweatshop/ idiots hungry for fame factor that keeps those shows cheap and attractive to the same group of cowardly network execs. That kind of climate IS what keeps shows like a new Muppet Show from having an audience.

    Now, the BEST places for a Muppet show would be The Disney Channel or ABC Family, but those channels are married to focus groups. If they can get those groups to watch, they have an audience on those channels. Unfortunately, we'd only see guest stars that cater to those groups. That's what Studio DC was a test market for.

    Plus, the Muppets never had a good place on major television networks. ABC did buy 2 pilot/specials to the Muppet Show but they refused the series, NBC treated JHH like it was on another channel and it quickly disappeared, and ABC could never find an audience for MT, shoving it on opposite 60 Minutes. Syndication, PBS, and HBO gave Henson the audience he needed. Cable could be that audience too, but again, that has to depend on the demographic.
  18. Scooterfan5

    Scooterfan5 Well-Known Member

  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I recall that the movie was rumored to be in the works before Disney bought the Muppets and long before it was officially announced (I know Kermit made an appearance somewhere hinting at the production, saying something was in the works that he couldn't tell the audience about yet, but then said something to the effect of "check the internet").
  20. fuzzydice82

    fuzzydice82 Member

    I've mentioned this in another post, but the obvious choice is a Muppet episode of 30 Rock on NBC. If you do a quick Google search, you'll find that the internet has presented multiple similarities between The Muppet Show and 30 Rock. Additionally, Muppets have made cameos in I think three 30 Rock episodes. NBC has already done a live episode of 30 Rock and a claymation episode of Community. A muppet episode of 30 Rock wouldn't be a stretch. Although, it would be muppet incarnations of the 30 Rock characters, and not Kermit and the gang.

    As far as the actual Muppet gang, I think that the movie should/could make way for a return of The Muppet Show in some way shape or form. Disney Channel is the prime choice for this show. Without knowing the outcome of the movie, it might be interesting to see some form of "Next Generation" with Robin and some new characters taking center stage. Yes, I know we all know and love the original gang, but The Muppet Theater needs to be relevant in a 21st century setting.

    As far as more movies, it's taken a long time to get to this movie. Unless this one just blows up at the box office and makes a ton of money, no one is jumping to make another Muppet movie.

    All that being said, The Muppet Show comic book has been the greatest Muppet related thing in the past 20 years (besides the Palisades toys). Using the comic book as the basis for a TV series would be great. Have four episodes in a row with the normal variety show, and then do four episodes of Muppet King Arthur or Muppet Sherlock Holmes, and then back to variety show story.

    There is potential for the Muppets, but the powers that be have to see potential for profit beyond the rabid fans on these forums :)

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