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Is There A Reason There's No New Figure Line?

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by beaker, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I cannot sing the praises enough of the Disney Muppet Star Wars action figures(despite the price points), but I don't get why they not just stopped the line...but, why they aren't making a regular TMS or Muppets Most Wanted line in that same scale? We got a lot of figures in the Palisades line even tho they were these huge insanely detailed behemoths...imagine if they were smaller scale? Again, I am endlessly grateful for the Star Wars Muppet figures that came out in the last couple years. I guess my imagination is just running wild on imaging a large array of characters in that scale.
     
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yes. The action figure market has cooled off considerably since the last toy line (10 years ago), especially with the HUGE indie toy market crash of 2005. The only indie based figures I ever see are extremely pricy. I'm talking 30 bucks for a 6" Heavy from Team Fortress 2 pricy. The mainstream lines are barely hanging on. The only thing that consistantly sells out are the new TMNT figures. The best I could see for the Muppets would be a mediocre mainstream deal with barely the main characters that cost a fortune that no one would actually buy until they hit clearance.

    A set of smaller, non-articulated buddy pack figures seems like the best we could have at this point. I'd rather something like that.
     
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  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I see a ton of indie produced figures by the buttload at record stores, comic shops and even Toys R Us. What bugs me is you have all these dinky shrimpy GI Joe sized figures for $10-$12, but for a gargantuan figure its only a few bucks more. Again, makes no sense. I could give a crap about Star Wars/WWF wrasslin/Comic book figures, but I am excited to see video game figures still coming out. As much as I do not like the look of the new TMNT cartoon, I am as always grateful there's a new generation of kids always eager to buy new turtle toys(recently got to meet Kevin Eastman at a signing) The hulking cavemen looking Michael Bay Turtle figures remind me of the Image Comics 1996 TMNT toys.

    Anyhoo, here's the bottom line: Every time a big Disney cgi cartoon or Dreamworks cgi cartoon comes out, there's whole aisles of toys based on it. But for the second time in a row, we have a massive Disney tent pole they're sinking zillions into marketing...yet ONCE AGAIN, nary much if any Muppet merch to be seen in regular stores. Makes no sense
     
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While I think the Monsters University toy line was... okay at best, I would not want Muppet figures like that. I could only see a cartoony, stylized collection of like 5 characters made out of shiny hard preschool toy plastic, and selling for like almost 20 bucks.

    As for Dreamworks, it's like every other movie. Most of them have no toy line, and the ones that do are so obscure, you just can't find them unless you scour the preschool aisle. That's the only way I even knew Croods had a line. And they were done by Mattel. There's no excuse why it was so impossible to find. Any Turbo merchandise pretty much cleared out everywhere else by now. And as for Peabody and Sherman, there was nothing. A Happy meal promotion. You'd think they'd at least have a line of Classic Bullwinkle T-shirts. So it isn't exactly that great for them either.
     
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member


    Actually, I just found out that Funko Pop is coming out with some Bullwinkle figures this month. The toy line includes Rocky, Bullwinkle, Mr. Peabody, and Sherman.

    Here's the info: http://www.hollywoodgonegeek.com/20...sherman-funko-pop-vinyl-figures-revealed.html
     
  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Mass. must be a whole different world as I saw a glut of Croods and Turbo merchandise here in California. I kind of liked Turbo, despite the terrible last act. However the only cg cartoon films I feel elevated the cinematic arts in the last 5 years were Up and Rango.

    But no, I definitely would take a Monsters U-esque glut of Muppet merchandise, hands down. As if the funko or vinylmations are accurate likenesses
     
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Heh. The only Croods stuff I finally saw was tucked away in the back of TRU's Preschool section. Turbo at least was out front and everywhere, but it cleared out really quick when the movie flopped in the US (except for TRU, they never clear stuff out until years later).

    I agree that we should have seen an MU level of merchandising blitz (especially with the obscure one scene characters they made into bean bags... what? They can't make a Scooter bean bag?). But I'd hope the toys would have been a higher level of quality than the MU action figures. I'd think we should see smaller PVC carded figures, and that would be a lot more collectible than larger scale figures. As long as they didn't cost what the Despicable Me ones did. I mean, 8 bucks for a 3" puny figure? Really?
     
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  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Disney has clearly spent an insane amount of money promoting this film. So if the box office returns show a poor outing by society, then it's not for a lack of advertising.
    People on muppet forums keep saying "the Palisades days", but to me that's living in the past. Ken and company bent over backwards to appeal to nitpicking spoiled fans and still got spat on by ingrates.

    To me, those Disney Parks Muppet Star Wars figures were, in my 36 years of collecting this stuff, hands down the coolest Muppet figures and scale I've seen. No idea why they discontinued them, nor why they never thought to make regular Muppet figures in that scale.

    The state of toys is a weird one. If its not Skylanders(god I hate those), Pokemon, WWF, Ben 10, Power Rangers, Transformers, TMNT or Disney/Pixar it doesnt have a chance. However now we are seeing a glut of Despicable Me action figures and toys....yet nothing Muppet wise in toy stores. Really sad.
     
  9. havesamantha

    havesamantha New Member

    The only figures that there really are, are the ones from the Disney Store, Muppts Most Wanted collection. The Disney Store is literally the only place I can walk into a store and actually find Muppets memorabilia so at least TDS is doing that right. I actually own the Muppets Most Wanted figurine set, and I was pretty happy with it for what it cost. It's detailed and nice, and it's better that not having any figure set at all!
     
  10. Eyeball

    Eyeball Well-Known Member

    yeah the figurine set is a rather nice piece to have, trouble is the disney stores in the UK (at least the london ones when i checked) didnt have/stock it so it was a pain to get it shipped from the US, but yeah as you said they arent palisades quality but they're good enough for now.
     
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Recently, there was a line of Muppet figures spoofing Star Wars... I wonder if Disney should try more Muppet figure lines based on other popular franchises. Marvel superheroes comes to mind right now.

    Hmm, I wonder if there'll be new Muppet Star Wars figures when the new Star Wars movies come out.
     
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    ...and Major Box Office Bomb Legends of Oz actually has a toy line (!)
     
  13. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't know what toy company could produce good "mass market" figures that are worthy of the Muppets. The palisades line was truly amazing, and totally spoiled us lol, but I feel like all mass market toys in general have been lacking. I don't know if that's a result of me just getting older if toys really are getting "worse".

    Like Transformers, the new toys for Age of Extinction all look pretty crappy to me, whereas the toys for the first three movies were all pretty great.

    I think I'd rather see the Muppets not have any toys at all than not-so-great toys.
     
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  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If we saw Palisades quality Muppet figures today, they'd be well over 20 bucks a piece. The action figure bubble burst years ago, and it's only a matter of time before we lose the small amount of general retail TV cartoon based toy lines go away again. The only specialty figures I see anymore are 30 dollar video game based ones, and maybe a slightly cheaper 25 bucks a piece horror movie ones. There's no room for classic television programing toys anymore. And face it, back when they had them, only a handful of companies did a good job. The rest just over-saturated the market.

    I find it HIGH time we get over the "spoiled by Palisades Quality" crap. We never saw that quality of Muppet merchandise before, and we were happy. The Fisher Price puppets look like garbage compared to those figures, it's true, but they were high quality for their day. Worst we'd get is Disney store figurine quality, and those figure sets are quite well done.

    There's a rather lame excuse for that. There's a side collector's line that I can't really find, but the entire line was made with younger children in mind, which is why we have so many gimmick driven One Step changers and stuff like that. Which stinks because the Transformers Prime line was pretty good quality, especially the smaller ones that turned into detailed vehicles and robots instead of being crappy little brick things.
     
  15. Mad Monty fan

    Mad Monty fan Active Member

    Well at least they have Pop figures now, which although they can't begin to compare to the Palisades figures, are decent. Ones I have so far are Dr. Teeth, Fozzie, Gonzo, and Kermit. I still need Animal, Mahna Mahna, Snowth, Sam, The Swedish Chef, and Miss Piggy and then I'll be all caught up. I find that if you don't take them out of the box, they stay in good condition. I mean sure, I take my Dr. Teeth and Fozzie ones out of their boxes from time to time, but i put them back in afterwards.
     
  16. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    As much as I do love the Palisades Muppet line and still treasure my collection to this day, I do feel it's about time people here stop comparing EVERY Muppet figure (rather it's the Disney store figurines, Vinylmation or Funko Pop figures) to them.
     
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    YES!

    Large, highly detailed action figures were a turn of the millennium thing, and no one wants to admit it. They don't sell like they used to, and we're not going to see that kind of boom ever again. There are only hard core gamer licenses and current or cult movie licenses by semi-independent companies with no room for nostalgic or kid friendly ones. If so, Jazzwares' Nickelodeon line should have been a bigger hit than it was. Nope. it ended before a second wave which would have featured Rocko. If that was such a license to print money, we would have seen him. We didn't. And the big lines, like Pacific Rim and Team Fortress 2 are like upwards of 30 bucks.

    If we saw a Muppet figure license like that, we'd see 1 or 2 at most lines of A-list characters (no Van Neuters, Marvin Suggses, or Link Hogthrobs) that would cost 20 bucks at least, come with no accessories (or maybe just one small one), and you could only buy them at comic book shops (or if you're lucky, TRU) because the big entertainment retailers that sold the Muppet line went under because everyone's using Netflix instead of buying enough DVD's to keep them in business.

    That said, the Disney Store figure sets are tops. Especially if you don't mind rebuying the same figures with bases so they actually stand. I'm disappointed they didn't release a mega figure set with more characters for MMW.
     
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  18. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    Exactly just like baseball cards and comic books before it, actions figures were hot, than went down.
     
  19. los

    los Active Member

    Isn't $20 minimum what some of us are paying on the secondary market? Many times loose with little to no accessories.
    That said, with heavy heart I do conceed that another line like Palisades is nothing but a dream. The Disney packs would be great if they kept expanding to other characters too.
     

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