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Is there an overrated/underrated Muppet production?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by minor muppetz, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I feel with the Looney Tunes, no matter what they do, they seem to wind up displeasing die hards one way or the other. Shorts that try to ape the original LT style, shows that keep the LT formula and character personalities as close as they can, and those two...things... that threw the formula out in a cheap attempt to pander to kids which fans rightfully despised. Tiny Toons wasn't as universally beloved back then as it is today. But this is another discussion best left to comparisons between Disney's handling...or any post Jim Handling of the Muppets for that matter and WB's failure to keep LT a long running success.
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  2. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    I'm... I'm just gonna put underrated if that's okay. :o


    • The Great Muppet Caper: People do indeed like/love this movie, however, when Muppet movies come to mind, I barely hear about this one. Or people say they've never heard of it or something like that. I think its a great movie.
    • Muppets from Space: I hear a lot of people don't like this movie. I mean, besides the fact that there are no Muppety songs, I think the jokes are pretty good. Its Muppety to me, but I still understand why its not liked much.
    *Flees from fanpeeps*
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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I do indeed like MFS, but feel that it could have been so much better had it not been for all the bull that went down with it. Troubled production throughout.

    But it is a nice character piece for Gonzo, and the new characters really had their time to shine in that film.
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  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    What I meant in terms of a Duck Amuck-style thing not working in CGI is that it would be weird to see a paint brush or pencil used to torture the animated character if it was done in CGI, and I don't think seeing a moving arrow selecting things to torture the character with would be too interesting.

    Unless the brush, pencil, and person torturing the character (and the animators surroundings) were all CGI and the stuff that's supposed to be a cartoon were 2D.

    I had always thought this was one of the better-known and better-liked of the Muppet movies, but since the Blu-ray release I've seen quite a few places where people called it underrated or not as well-known as other movies. Of course I also saw a review of the Blu-ray which said the same about Muppet Treasure Island, which I also feel is one of the best-known (and is the third highest-grossing Muppet film).
  5. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Well-Known Member

    Really the point I was making in my previous post is that Looney Tunes in general work well in CG. A "Duck Amuck" esque plot does sound a little more complicated to pull off now that you bring it into perspective. I understand the point you are making, and yes, it is fairly more impressive and fun in traditional style animation, and as much as I'd like to have a bias for traditional, CG has its merits too. The "character vs. mouse cursor" bit has already been done numerous times. The complexities of CG could take the plot to new levels. Or, like you said, there could be a mix of CG and traditional, have any number of things be CG and the other things traditional, i.e. characters, backdrops, tools, objects, etc. Though more challenging, I feel it still could be done and still be entertaining, depending on taste.
  6. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Are we just talking about The Muppets here or are we also talking about other Muppet productions including things like Fraggle Rock, BITBBH, Mopatop's Shop and Sesame Street related productions?
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was asking about any kind of Henson production.
  8. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Oh okay. Well in that case Follow That Bird is probably the most underrated Muppet film ever.
  9. JT Yorke

    JT Yorke Well-Known Member

    I havent seen it yet, could you tell me why?
  10. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Well, I couldn't exactly give you a full review but, it has a similar feel to the first three Muppet films (TMM, GMC, MTM), has some really great songs and very much embodies the entire spirit of Sesame Street. I would recommend checking it out. It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
  11. Skywalker82

    Skywalker82 Member

    Muppets Take Manhattan: I always thought it was ok but give me the first 2 Muppet movies.

    Labyrinth: Don't kill me man! but i like this movie but i like The Dark Crystal more as i grew up with TDC but didn't see Labyrinth until i was 10 and thought it was fine but no where near as mature or edgy or accomplished or world building as TDC plus TDC has a much better score than the Carpenter-esque one in Labyrinth. Bowie's songs i thought were terrible, i mean he is a talented actor/singer and the heroine was always a whiny one plus the villain was nowhere near the Skeksis.
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  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Last night it was announced that Tough Pigs is having a "Muppetational May" challenge, with one of the entries being "most overrated Muppet production". Here's details on the whole thing...


    I'll probably have difficulty determining an overrated production. If single episodes of shows can qualify, then I can think of a few TMS episodes I find overrated (Elton John, Harry Belafonte, Liberace, maybe Rudolph Nureya). I'll have to look back and see if I referred to anything as overrated here because there's so many Muppet productions that I don't think are really popular enough to be overrated. The closest I can think of is the 2011 film. I really like it fine, and it was the Muppet movie to bring the characters back to popularity (not to mention the highest-grossing Muppet film and the only one to win an Oscar), but at the same time, I feel like the popularity of this film hasn't helped the Muppets that much. I feel like it's the favorite Muppet movie of today's young generation, but also feel they aren't too aware of the previous movies or The Muppet Show. In fact I've talked with a few people who grew up when I did who also seem that way.

    But I have plenty of time to decide. It's not the only difficult one for me to choose, but it is probably the most difficult. I'll have an easier time determining an underrated Muppet production (I feel like almost all of the specials are underrated, not to mention the Playhouse Videos and Muppets Most Wanted).

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