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Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Laszlo, Jan 11, 2010.
Was Cameron inspired by Dark Crystal?
There were a couple of scenes RIGHT OUT OF THE DARK CRYSTAL. Namely "when Jake Sully is walking in the forest initially and is looking at the those strange plants that then disappear quickly, much like Jen in TDC." Also, " When Neytiri (sp?) and Jake wake up together on the forest floor. They embrace each other the exact same way, and you can hear Jake Sully's voice over as his eyes open." Classic throwback to The Dark Crystal.
Yes, interesting. Would love to know if that was intentionally?
I'm sure Cameron researched everything he could get his hands on - especially the Dark Crystal. It's a world without any humans. That's rare for film.
So, that's how you make a movie! Steal a world from The Dark Crystal and steal your story from Disney's Atlantis. It's genius!
... Actually, I kinda liked Avatar.
I worked on Avatar and actually helped to design Pandora. The helicordian glade (the pink plants that you refer to) were in the initial script as it was handed to me. There are definitely things that are similar to Dark Crystal. Im not sure whether Jim used DC as reference or not. It was a very cool project to work on and I hope that you enjoyed it.
You guys did a fantastic job and made a nearly three-hour-long film zoom right by in beautiful color. Heck, I didn't even see it in the 3D and I was amazed. One of my friends who doesn't like movies that much said Avatar was the best thing he's seen in years.
(Maybe someone from your department should give a call up to the Zemekis people. His graphics need *a lot* of work. )
Ha ha ha. Several of us actually work for Zemeckis now... I will reserve making statements that could hurt my job.
Oops! Well, that's a good thing. He needs you. Those Polar Express corpse children still give me nightmares. I'm glad the technology has moved forward after Avatar. Truly amazing film effects that emote.
Hehe... I was waiting 'till someone's gonna bring this topic up.
I also couldn't help but notice a major likeness between Na'vi and Gelflings, not only physical. Just like Gelflings, Na'vi are peaceful creatures (though Na'vi, being very protective towards their clan and family, tend to be aggressive towards their attackers) who celebrate their love for nature through song, dance and stories.
Also the bond their create with their holy trees, animals and each other kind of resembles dreamfasting.
They also seem to have some traits of the Podlings as they have deep respect for the nature that surrounds them and also communicate with their animals.
rurulesunc, right now I envy you so much - that you've been working on what is, probably, one of the best Sci-Fi movies in history. You all guys did a wonderful job bringing the world of Pandora to life, and for this I thank you very much . I swear, if this movie's not gonna get at least one Oscar, I'm probably gonna go insane.
I've got one question for you: are also gonna work on the sequel to Avatar?
Im really hoping that I will get to work on it. I believe that it will be a while before production starts up again though.
I thought it was Pocahontas! Lol...
I did like the movie though.
Yes POCAHONTAS ... true.
BTW the Navi s hands also have 4 fingers !
Not one thing in that movie reminded me of TDC. All I kept thinking was...Pocahontas.....over and over again. The storyline bored the **** out of me, but the design was fantastic.
But regardless, I didn't feel or see any resemblance or nod to TDC what-so-ever.
The Dark Crystal? Hmm- I guess I could see that. I'm not sure about Pocahontas. I think Avatar was mainly a rip-off from the Smurfs though.
"Not sure about Pocahontas"?
Its the EXACT story, beat by beat practically. One of the reasons I could not stand it. Its a story you've seen a million times so much so, its practically mind numbing.
But at least Pocahontas is based somewhat on historical fact. (Although obviously changed to suit the story and highly dramatized and so forth.) In any case, I can't really say for sure until I see the movie. I'm just going by my impressions of previews and such.
Cabbageheat, you weren't paying attention if you didn't pick up on a couple of the obvious homages......namely, when the N'avi version of Jake Sully explored the forest, and walks into the spiraling leaves of that plant and they quickly disappear EXACTLY like the more rudimentary plants did when Jen walked by them in TDC.
The next homage came when the camera pans to Neytiri & Jakesully waking up on the forest floor, embraced in the exact same way Kira & Jen were. Neytiri's eyes open first amid Jakesully's voiceover, EXACTLY the same way it happened when Jen & Kira awaken in front of the Gelfling ruins.
Nah. I was paying attention. I can see it "now", but not during, sorry, but TDC was the furthest thing in or on my mind at the time of viewing.
Plus, what came to me was just the obvious: a poorly written story, bad dialogue, plot points you can see coming in your sleep, and a story that has been told so many times, its just boring to watch. But, it did have great design. As always with Cameron films.
For those who loved it, great. For those who saw countless TDC references, well, I have serious doubts, though some elements may have "mimicked" certain shots or encounters. I dont' think that has anything to do with Jims film or was influenced in any way by it (as in movement/camera angles/character reactions). I think it was coincidence, nothing more.
Just an FYI, it wasn't Pocahontas, or Atlantis which itself was a rip-off of Nadia, secret of the blue water...
Avatar = Ferngully the last rainforest.
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