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Jim Hill Article...

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Ken Plume, Mar 2, 2004.

  1. Ken Plume

    Ken Plume Member

  2. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Yeah we are familiar with his work here ..... and seems like he is with ours too! I notice a great similarity between the first part of his article and Annika's first editorial. The Broadway Theater show was a Henson thing that was in development, not a Disney thing. It's so Henson that Jim and Bernie Brillstein came up with the idea in the 80's. At least he got the Lisa email though which makes interesting reading.
  3. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Why didn't they post THAT letter to the employees at Henson.com? They did it in 2/00 and 5/03.

    Interesting article, though.
  4. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    A-HA! I don't know WHY it's an "a-ha," but with Disney closing down it's animated feature film department...hmm...
  5. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Y'know, it's not really a Lisa letter. It's from Brian and Lisa, the co-chairs and co-CEOs, and Peter Schube, the Prez and COO. So it's from the top 3 big shots at JHC.

    >>it has remained the dream of the Henson family and our Company ever since<< and >>We are thrilled that, after so many years, and so many heartbreaking near misses...<<

    This is what Bill O'Reilly would call "spin." Did you all forget that you guys SOLD the entire business to EM.TV four years ago? Or are you trying to forget (like the rest of us are)? Heartbreaking near misses, my nose.
  6. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Exactly, again they are trying to make out that Jim wanted Disney to just own "The Muppets" rather than the entire company. The whole "It took us fifteen years, but we finally got it right." thing is sickening. If Disney were that interested they would have bought the company from them before EMTV. Bottom line is that Henson probably knew they would get into financial trouble holding on so they engineered the deal so it gave Disney everything they wanted in exchange for the all the production and development contracts. I agree they have found the Muppets a suitable home for the future but i don't like the way they make out it's ALL about what Jim wanted before and a continuation of that. Spin Spin Spin indeed !
  7. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    One thing I don't get from Jim Hill and others is this thing about the burden of legacy, concerning THE Muppets. I can understand this from Brian resigning from JHC in May 2002 to do his own thing, but they are so pressured by the burden of the Muppets, that they had to sell the very cornerstone of the Henson empire, yet KEEP Fraggle Rock and everything else and transform the Jim Henson Company?

    Of course I think Disney is an ideal home for the Muppets, but I have to hear a broader explanation of how the Hensons sold off the Muppets, and not just sign a lucrative film and TV deal with Disney. I love the deal, but it's just too odd.
  8. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp Well-Known Member

    Maybe its just as simple as this...Disney doesn't want the Fraggles. They probably would have to spend more money than it would be worth to them. Or, they plan on buying them cheaper down the road when the JHC needs money again :o
  9. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Hmm, maybe.
  10. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't a "Down At Fraggle Rock" ride be cool? Go through Doc's workshop where an animatronic Doc and Sproket talk to and bark at you, then you descend down some steps into the "hole" in the wall, get on the little cars and ride through Fraggle Rock, seeing Gobo and Wembley's place, other sites, the interior of the main hall (where the fraggles all sing the theme song), suddenly hitting the roller-coaster ride part of it all, rushing through the Gorg's Garden before Junior steps on ya, past the Trash Heap, through a tunnel, and outside where you get off outside of Doc's Workshop.

    Then again, Disney didn't want 'em. Remember why JHC said no more new Fraggle stuff? Too expensive to rebuild them all again, the ones in existence all dry-rotted out. I think Sprocket still exists, but all the Fraggles are now extinct.
  11. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp Well-Known Member

    Thats really sad to think about the Fraggles being extinct. :cry:

    That is the coolest ride idea I've ever heard. I would die. Alas, it is not to be. You should make an animation version on flash or something. I don't really know how to use flash so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I've heard its easy to use. It would be cool! ANywaze, Great Idea!
  12. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    Not to jump all over Luke's territory (ragging on Jim Hill) but what gets me about this piece are all the typos and errors. Not very porfessional coming from a professional writer.

    It does offer some legitimate hope for Fraggle Rock-- as part of a fantasy distribution deal we could see the series released on DVD/video. That might actually be better for Fraggle than Disney distribution. Fraggle doesn't feel like today's kiddie shows and it might not play well squashed in between the current Disney shows. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Fraggle is outdated, but we all know it is getting harder for Sesame to compete with the flash of other kid shows. Perhaps Fraggle would be more successful market to fantasy fans in their teens and twenties. Anyway, at least there's hope for Fraggle.
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    It seemed to me like an article not written by anybody, but rather an e-mailed letter used as an article. Am I mistaken?
  14. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp Well-Known Member

    excellent point!

    Sesame Street is one big flash. I love it, it's deep and beautul. But when you look back, at Old School Sesame St esp, the show is one big piece of ABC decorated candy. Even Cooney said herself that if they were going to error it would be on the side of entertainment. The problem Sesame St has is not its lack of flash, but lack or realism. The show is supposed to to aimed at innner-city kids, but last time I watched it (last week) it looked like a Barney Episode. The only cool stuff were the older clips.

    Again, I wish I didn't have to say this, the show is like a parent to me, but its true.
  15. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I prefer the old days before SS became another Barney/Telletubbies.
  16. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, sometimes I just can't watch that show. I wish Noggin would bring back "Sesame Street Unpaved," even if it's in the middle of the night, since that's when I'm awake anyway.

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