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Kermit Swamp Years - Opinions

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by The Whatevers, Jun 9, 2006.

  1. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    That scene, and where Kermit sees a movie for the first time were the scenes I was refering to as moving. I would almost guess that it's meant for the Sesame Street age demographic. I'm sure anyone under 5 would really like it. I do believe they put an honest effort into it, trying something new. Does anyone notice the lack of the word 'Muppet' in both movie content and packaging?

    To be fair, and I'm sure many have either said this before or share this opinion, it near impossible for anything Muppet to come close to the chemistry and magic created by the combination of Jim Henson and Frank Oz.
    I'm a Heson/Oz fan first, I guess. They were it. The Bomb. Creme de la creme. No dispute, no contest.
  2. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    I don't understand what you mean.
  3. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    Well, it's not called "The Muppets: Kemit's Swamp Years". And the word 'Muppet' isn't uesd in it.

    That's to their credit. I mean, obviously it's a Muppet project. Kermit. Duh. But this at least gives the project breathing room as not to have the weight and pressure of being another Muppet movie.

    Understand me now?
  4. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    Gotcha, Marky. Just didn't understand what you meant.

    You mean that unlike the other major Muppet film projects, the word "Muppet" is in the title:

    The Muppet Movie
    The Great Muppet Caper
    The Muppets Take Manhattan
    A Muppet Christmas Carol
    Muppet Treasure Island
    Muppets From Space
  5. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    No Problem!

    But about Swamp Years... I enjoy puppets, Muppets, all that good stuff. And when it comes down to it, calling The Swamp Years the worst Muppet movie is like calling Ringo the poorest Beatle.
  6. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I actually didn't mind Swamp Years. It was cute.
  7. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it did have some decent moments. If you don't compare it to the Heson body of work, it doesn't seem as brutal.
  8. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    Yeah and I don't compare it to those because Swamp Year is in it's own class really. Atleast to me. It does not need to be just like The Muppet Movie or Muppet Caper and all those. This one was geared toward possibly a younger audience and is of a different style. The movie has a sweet story and cute, fun characters. There is a nice message in it as well. Besides, it was released straight to DVD, not theatrical.
  9. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    It was aired on TV first, but what does that have to do with it (devil's advocate)?
  10. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    What the heck....

    Might as well weigh in on this one. Here's the real problem with this story: By the end of the movie, we don't actually get any closure. The bad guy might be changed, but he explains away years of killing frogs by saying "I didn't want to look wimpy in front of others." Isn't that a little like saying, "Yeah, I know I robbed and assaulted people for many years, but it was just so the guys would think I was tough. But it's okay now--I don't need to impress the guys anymore because I feel okay about myself." This does the robbed and assulted people good in what way? And is there no ourpouring of apology or sympathy for the sadly gutted frogs that gave their lives just so he could not be socially uncomfortable. It this sounded like a good idea on paper, it was only because nobody actually read to the end of the story.

    That said, there are things in it I like to watch. I'm not real turned on by adolescent Kermit--I find him much more interesting as an adult--but he has moments of adolescent cuteness. The out-takes are funny. I like Kermit's friends. (But then, I usually like Kermit's friends.) Given that I am such a grand Pigophile, I take exception to "Kermit's" cracks about MIss Piggy, as I find them mean-spirited. I don't mind snarky Kermit, but I don't like him when he's just being a snot. (THis may be influenced by my recent purchase of Kermit UnPigged, in which I found their interactions very sweet.) I don't care a lot for the whole "talking star" bit--it was a little cloying.

    Anyway--not their best effort, but there are a few moments of sweetness that are worth the inexpensive purchase. (Just don't watch it with any animal lovers.)

    Ru (who must be crabby tonight!)

    P.S. Hi Marky! Long time since our posts crossed!
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can't entirely judge. It sounds like it's not terrible, I might rent i someday. But based on hearing this, it does sound like there was a writing problem, which often happens with made for TV/straight to video projects.

    Now that I'm thinking about it, that's one big problem I've had with the recent Muppet projects, a lot of the jokes are just very mean-spirited. The writer's seem to think it's adult, edgy humor, but it's not. It just comes across cruel and jaded.
  12. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    Maybe I'll watch it again. It's been a while and when I did see it, I found it cute and fun. Maybe my views will be different after 5 years.
  13. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    Hey Marky I was thinking about the point you made about the lack of the word "Muppet" in KSY, but if you think about it, maybe that was smart. I mean this would be before Kermit met the gang and became known as "Muppets" right?
  14. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    Interesting point. It is not about or focused on the gang we know as "The Muppets" it is only about Kermit as a young frog growing up in the swamp. It almost seems like an independent project Kermit was working on away from the Muppet group.
  15. Gonzo14

    Gonzo14 Well-Known Member

    with a few exceptions, i think it would fit into the muppet "canon", these are some events that happened when Kermit was growing up in the swamp, it even had arnie the alligator, and the nearby movie theatre, rember "there's a double feature every saturday"

    i also agree that it wasn't that great, but if you look closely, in one scene in the background there's a container that says "Salmon Friends", referencing "Sam & Friends"
  16. Kiki

    Kiki Well-Known Member

    If I hadta say, just quietly, I rully didn't like it. Well, I didn't *hate* it, I mean the plot was good and all, but... i dunno, i guess I'm not a big fan of the 'new' Muppets. Though I still liked The Muppets Wizard of Oz. :smirk:
  17. dkmontgomery

    dkmontgomery Well-Known Member

    It was a pretty okay movie. I have the DVD. I like the armadillo charcter during some of the behind the scenes. The behind the scenes are pretty neat.
  18. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    Yes, this is true. I remember the TV guide review for it - it made it clear not to expect many of the old characters. It was likely an all-around move to lower expectations for people choosing to tune in.

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