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Leave Frank alone

Discussion in 'Henson People' started by dwayne1115, Sep 11, 2003.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    The recent illness of Frank Oz has brought up a few qustions . like is he still with the muppets? why was he not in the last muppets movie for tv.? and is he just pushing the muppets to the side and going to bigger and better things? I think it is safe to say NO !!!!!!!!! If it was true then why would he be answering mail frome there web site. Frank got his big start from the muppets and the same for the muppets like fozzie and ms. piggy . Jim could not have done it without him . i say we give him more room to do things other than muppets . The Jim henson Comony is doing more then just muppets and no one semmes to mad about that . so give poor Frank a break he is doing the best he knows how . im sure that after the lose of his boss partner and good friend Jim Henson he was wondering if he would evn be with the muppets at all . so give him some room is all im saing he is still doing a great job for the muppets and other projects to. :mad: :o :attitude: :halo: :(
  2. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    I'd just like to add something to that...

    If Jim had felt betrayed by Frank's doing other projects, don't you think he would have mentioned it to him? I'm sure if Jim had felt that way, Frank would have gladly (well, maybe not gladly, but he would have realized why Jim felt that way) given it up for his friend. And the Henson Company doesn't seem to feel betrayed. Neither should we. Jim was a suporter of people following what they loved to do. From anything I've heard, Frank loves to direct movies (he loves the Muppets, too, I'm sure, but that ain't the point...) just as Jim loved to direct movies.

    Frank is also still doing plenty of Sesame Street, and I'm sure he will be popping in with the Classic Muppets from time to time. Secret Squirrel has said that he's quite active in the Jim Henson Foundation.

    Also, that other thread was posted a long tiem ago. It was merely a question of concern. Nothing really to get upset about. And some people's opinions differ, of course. We just need to learn to deal with it.
  3. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    A couple things to keep in mind. Frank started working with the Muppets around 1962. That was 40 years ago! Frank is still involved with the Muppets in more ways than people realize. Jim and Frank were also best friends. When you loose a close friend, someone you love, part of that healing is to sometimes move on because the pain of missing your friend is so great. I have no problems with Frank's directorial career. Jim supported Frank to begin directing other movies in the mid-eighties. If Jim supported it, why can't we? To me it is a natural extension of all the other things he has done over the years. Everyone has a right to do what makes them happy if they are able.

    Here's some more info on Frank that you may find helpful...

  4. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    I was actually thinking of noting that. I just didn't know if it would have been an appropriate speculation or not. Oh, well. You said it much better than I ever could have.

    anyway, I'm actually shocked that more people don't note all of Frank's recent (well, not recent, but more recent) behind the scenes work. He was Executive Producer on both Muppet Treasure Island, and Muppets From Space. Wasn't he also Executive Producer for Elmo in Grouchland? Anyway, I'm also quite fond of his directorial work, and totally support it. He still does the occasional Muppet stuff, and, like you said, plenty of stuff we don't really take note of. Particuallrly the Sesame Street segments he was filming not too long ago that was announced.
  5. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member


    ok this is good i thought more people were aginst frank then for him . i owe you all an apology. im sorry if i came on a little stong. it was just seeming that people were not being nice about it so please forgive me
    . :) :sympathy: :mad:
  6. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    I think he's going to continue doing what he wants anyway without our permission.

    Thank goodness for that.
  7. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    sorry but I have a question that's a tad muffin-y wouldn't it be lose in this occasion? I've seen several people use this spelling in this context lately, and I just became curious.

    baack on topic now!

    I think it's great that Frank is doing other things. Everyone has a few things they want to do, and luckily Frank has a chance to do both (and he does both well) and we are lucky that Eric does such a good job (didn't I read that Frank worked with Eric a lot to help him?)

    trust me, we love Frank here!
  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    your right

    your right erick does a great job as fozzie and piggy. and you all have talked alot about it befor. but could i change this a little if i could and talk about the person that does Rowlf or Dr. Theeth who is he and where did he come frome? i really cant find much on this person but hope he does more with thest two , becaues they are my favorits. he does a good job the little that he does and just a little more time and you might see Dr. Theeth Behind his keybord and singing what a thought. :sympathy: :D
  9. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    Bill Baretta? There's not much info on him, but what is out the BBB (Bill Baretta Borrowers) can tell you! they have a seperate forum, let me dig out the URL for you!

  10. Secret Squirrel

    Secret Squirrel Well-Known Member

    I hesitate to post in this thread as I believe everybody's choices are their own. And it's a fine line between criticizing someone's creative choices and criticizing their life choices.

    However. Sarah. "Didn't I read that Frank worked with Eric a lot to help him?"

    You may have, but it's not really true. The simple explanation is that if Frank were available to coach someone else, he would use that time to tape appearances instead. I'm sure Eric and Frank have talked about the characters, but the performance Eric gives is the result of his own hours of patient effort.

    secret squirrel
  11. Skeeter Muppet

    Skeeter Muppet Well-Known Member

    And I'd say it's paid off! Eric's an excellent performer.

  12. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    thanks secret squirrel, it's great to clear up stuff like that!
  13. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    Yes, he is, indeed. All the Muppet performers do their job wonderfully, in all respects.

    btw, Bill Barretta does Rowlf the Dog, John Kennedy does Dr. Teeth, though I'm not sure if he's the permenant performer of the Golden Tooth or not.

    Like Sarah said earlier, people like to do a lot of different things. Personally, I love puppeteering! I always have. But recently, I've done a few projects where I can step behind the camera, and direct (these are all cheesy little personal projects I do on the side...), which makes me side for Frank even more. His decission to direct is well made. It's a wonderful, amazing experience to do that! I like it back there even more than I do performing my characters. Don't get me wrong, I still love puppetry, but, there's something so enjoyably different about directing. It's wonderful! So, I can deffenitely see why Frank directs, and I can assure you, he's not gonna give up on the Muppets easily. I'm sure he loves the Muppets, he's even stated it! He feels a loyalty to the company, and may never leave completely.

    And, of course, even Jim stopped performing for a little bit to focus on directing more. As far as I know, there was only one scene in Labyrinth where he performed one of the puppets. Don't quote me on that. I'm not entirely sure. I just know he's not listed in the credits, but there is only one picture I've seen where he's under a puppet for Labyrinth. It's in the first scene with the Goblins when they're all gathered around listening to Sarah wish for the goblins to take Tobey away.
  14. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    He's not, Teeth is unassigned i think but John does a great job at all his characters when he gets the call to step in and do them when the occasion arises. As for Frank, he has had his problems with 'JHC' over recent years but details of that aren't really pulblic (and nor should they be) and i agree that his career direction is his own choice. It's cool that he supports the Henson Foundation and is involved for the most part.
  15. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member


    i thought that there was another person that did Dr. theeth then rolf. And you all are right Frank is doing a great Job all of the guys and ladys are. maybe you all could help me figure somthing out . in a earlyer post somone said Dr. thhe was an unassinded Charitture. well who makes the call now that jim is gone who does what i would think that it would be brian, but im not sure. so if yeall know please share. :zany:
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    There has been much fan speculation on the place Frank Oz holds with the Muppets these days. It is unclear to us whether he is really preoccupied or is phasing out the performing side of his Henson duties. In the end, it's not very important what we think about the issue. Only one person knows the answer and that's Frank. I'm sure if he wanted to come back and do something Henson welcome him enthusiastically. It doesn't seem likely from the track record of the last few years, but it would be exciting.

    I certainly don't think anyone is against Frank Oz at all. He has brought much joy into the lives of his fans and deserves to do what he chooses. Personally, I'd like to see consistency in character performance. If that means Oz is back in the fold or Eric totally takes over full time it doesn't really matter to me. Either way, the bear and the pig are in capable hands. I just hope the Muppets become a solid entertainment force like they once where and have regularly assigned performers. :)
  17. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Bill Baretta does Rowlf, Dr Teeth is unassigned but his most recent performer has been John Kennedy. They all do a great job, as does Eric Jacobson especially i have to say. The Muppet performers are a pretty informal gang, obviously at the end of the day it comes down to the management as to who does who but for the most part the performers try and out the characters and decide that way - not everybody can do certain voices and things so it's not like picking someone at random. I agree with Jamie that consistency with the performers is the key, and it's equally important that the characters get used as much too so i'm pretty happy we are seeing some of the old favorites back again.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As far as I can tell, Frank does play Cookie and Grover from time to time, but David Rudman and Eric Jacobson fill in the characters so that they'd make more appearances. Frank has done a number of Global Grover Segments, Hawaii, Alaska, Baths around the world...
  19. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    As was said, Dr. Teeth is currently unassigned, though John Kennedy played him in Muppets From Space, and Dave Goelz (currently performing Waldorf, another Jim Henson character) performed him in the Muppet Treasure Island Cd-Rom thing. John Kennedy is quite good at the Tooth, of course, I've only ever heard him say but one thing: "Shalom!" I've never played the MTI game, but, if it was anything like his Waldorf, he'd do pretty good at. But, he would sound a bit more like Uncle Traveling Matt than anything else.
  20. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    it isn't just me who has liked that Shalom! line!

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