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Little Muppet Monsters Revelation...

Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by Drtooth, Aug 13, 2013.

  1. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Did you work on the show or do you have some sort of connection to either Marvel or The Jim Henson Company Archives (or Disney, who owns the show (as well as Marvel), though I've read that the Henson Company Archives still has the master tapes for much of the pre-2004 Muppet productions)?
  3. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    This is from the archives of one of the show's writers, which his family is still going through, but this is the only tape with LMM stuff on it.

    As far as I know, the puppet segments for 18 episodes were shot, and hopefully still exist in someone's collection somewhere.

    This is what we've got, apart from scripts and a bunch of tapes of the public domain stock footage often used on both shows.

    (It would be worth talking to some of the show's original crew and trying to track down storyboards and things.)

    So I've got three aired episodes here, three unaired/incomplete episodes, and a few other short clips - including two shots of Piggy.
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2015
  4. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    A note on the script says that the budget for the puppet segments with Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo etc is basically nil. (The scenes with them are very similar from episode to episode, and would have been shot one after the other.)

    Mike Quinn worked on the show as assistant, with Jim and Frank.

    Statler and Waldorf may have appeared - as puppets - at one point, but that's not at all confirmed.

    The scenes with Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, Piggy, and the Electric Mayhem were shot in London on the same stage as the original Max Headroom, while the scenes of the little monsters were presumably shot in the USA (New York?). Richard Hunt seems to appear in both shoots.

    While a scene between Tug and Kermit is missing on the tape, it's known that Tug and Kermit did film together during the series (you can see that in the 30th Anniversary special).

    My father worked on some merch for the show back in the day but that's it. For this we are digging into the archives of a friend ...
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  5. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    It was a real treat to be able to see this footage. Thanks for sharing!

    I'm also hoping storyboards will show up some day. Any idea if the audio for the remaining animated segments was ever completed?

    For some time I've been curious about the number of episodes that went into production. I know Scott Shaw! said that eighteen were produced, but (a) we only have the titles for thirteen and (b) thirteen tended to be the average number of episodes for first seasons back then. Perhaps eighteen was an educated guess on Scott's part?
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Wow, I had always assumed that the whole show was shot in New York. I wonder if the performers were doing anything else in London at the time (well there was Labyrinth, though neither Nelson or Hunt performed in that). It would be odd to just randomly have the performers perform some scenes there if they weren't busy in London. The only other major Muppet production I can think of that was done at the time was the Playhouse Video compilations, which I also assumed were in New York (but I don't officially know for sure).
  7. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Another observation - I noticed a placeholder title card for one of the "Foo-Foo Phooey" segments read "Frog Scouts."

    At first I wasn't sure what this segment could have been, but then I remembered the animators' character model sheet. Cartoon Gonzo is wearing a suit that looks an awful lot like one worn by a scoutmaster. So "Frog Scouts" could possibly be the title of the animated Gonzo segments that never aired.

    Last edited: Feb 21, 2015
  8. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    That does look like a scout uniform ... hmmm ...

    I am working on a Youtube version of this material now. I have much higher quality copies of the first two episodes than are out there now, but haven't had time to do a full restoration. I'll try to do a quickie semi-restored version for Youtube.

    Mike Quinn was also an assistant on Rowlf's Rhapsodies, where Rowlf nearly caught on fire due to a sparkler bomb! So I believe some of the Playhouse Video stuff was shot in London as well.

    The audio is done first with these animated segments so we can pretty much guarantee that it was recorded. Whether it still exists is another matter.

    Jack is scanning the scripts as well.

    The world is waking up to Gunko.
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2015
  9. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters "Gunko" Unaired Episode

    A rarity unseen for thirty years.
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2015
  10. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters "Gonzo's Talent Hunt" Unaired Episode
  11. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    Little Muppet Monsters Unaired Clip with Miss Piggy, introduced by Pee Wee Herman and Rowdy Roddy Piper
  12. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

  13. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters "Foo-Foo Phooey" Unaired Episode
  14. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson’s Little Muppet Monsters “The Great Boodini” Episode 3

  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've been wondering if the linking footage for any of those featured any performers who did not work on The Muppet Show. I haven't seen Rowlf's Rhapsodies, so I don't know if he's credited, but it seems like pretty much all of them list the same eight performers (though Rock Music also credits "Graham Fletcher as Fletcher Bird"), with no separation of whether they're in the linking footage or just clips, and pretty much all of them had something with other (uncredited) performers (such as John Lovelady, Eren Ozker, and Peter Friedman). Though the Muppet Wiki page for Louise, the chicken from Country Music, does list Louise Gold as her performer (I couldn't tell whose voice it was) and she rarely performed in Muppet productions outside of England.
  16. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson's Muppet Madness (View Master Interactive Vision - Muppets)
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was surprised to hear that Pee-Wee Herman hosted a CBS saturday morning block hosting the show, since his show didn't begin on CBS until the next television season. I wonder if Pee-Wee's Playhouse was in development at the time (and interestingly, like Little Muppet Monsters, that show would follow Muppet Babies on Saturday mornings). Did Rowdy Roddy Piper have a show on CBS Saturday mornings at the time (the only thing I can think of that he would have been part of was Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n Wrestling, but I think Hulk Hogan was the only wrestler to appear in live-action segments, and none of the wrestlers provided voices. Can't remember off-hand what year or channel that show aired)?

    The whole Muppets, Babies, and Monsters block had one set of end credits, mixing stills from Muppet Babies and Little Muppet Monsters. Do you happen to know if they produced a set of Little Muppet Monsters end credits, in the event that the show would eventually air outside of the hour-long block?

    In her Tough Pigs interview, Kathryn Mullen said that she used an alternate name for her writing credit, but in the credits for The Great Boodini she's credited as Kathryn Mullen (before your copy of the episode, the second and third episodes were online without credits, and I was looking at the credits for the first episode and couldn't find writing credits for some reason).
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  18. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    The end credits for episode 1 are incomplete in most copies (though missing different segments). They're slightly different from the episode 3 credits (different artwork used), so I'll restore both versions in full when I can. (I'm actually still waiting on an interlaced capture of the unaired episodes tape, but otherwise I have more than three different sources for ep1.) "Kathryn Mullen" is credited on both episodes.

    I would expect they'd have prepared a separate credit sequence for Little Muppet Monsters, though we haven't seen it. The separated Muppet Babies end credit sequence is very similar to the combined sequence, just focusing on Muppet Babies credits.

    "Rowdy" Roddy Piper did appear on Rock n' Wrestling at least once, and was a regular on the show in animated form. Pee Wee's Big Adventure also came out in 1985, and obviously his show was in development then. Both would be obvious choices to appear on a saturday morning special at the time.

    Apart from the Piggy cameo, most of the clips shown are from "Piggy's Hyper-Activity Book" and "In the Beginning," which did debut together as the season premiere.
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2015
  19. tygerbug

    tygerbug Well-Known Member

    The source for episode 1 of LMM that you usually see also glitches out for about a minute at the end of Fozzie's segment, and it's also rare to see the unique opening titles for "Muppets Babies and Monsters" for this episode. I'll edit together a complete copy.
  20. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Good idea adding that brief shot of Kermit and Tug from the intro into the pre-Private Eye bit.

    In response to the Boodini ep., I noticed Richard Hunt was also credited alongside the animated voice actors. I knew he did a few of those segments (probably separately from Bergen, Rayle, etc.) but didn't expect to see his name in that list.

    Actually, it's a Fall preview show. :)

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