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Little things we've noticed

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by minor muppetz, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I can't quite figure out if the green Reader of the Open Range is supposed to be male or female . . . appearance-wise, it looks like a female, and has a really high-pitched voice, but not only was it performed by a male performer (Kevin), but Vern (the leader) refers to both of his fellow Readers as "boys."
  2. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Vern probably is just doing it as a gender neutral term. I call alot of my female friends "dude."
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I suppose "dudette" does sound a little too Michelangelo.
  4. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    On that subject though:

    I've honestly wondered about the blue drummer in "Movin' On." It looks female, but the voice is a very gruff voice from Marty Robinson. Maybe it's a trans character?
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It's like I said earlier, even the Monotones seemed to be gender-ambiguous before their personalities were solidified, because there's been occasions where some of them, particularly Chrissy, may have been female. But even Little Jerry was performed by Fran on one occasion, but it's really ambiguous, because it was just one line, "Big deal," said in a really deadpan and flat voice, so it's really hard to discern.
  6. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Speaking of the Monotones....

    Anybody noticed how Big Jeffy is the only member that doesn't wear a scarf when they all got their primary hippie garb by the song "Sad"?

    Little Jerry wears an orange scarf, Chrissy wears a pink one, and Rockin' Richard has a golden patterned one. Then again, Jeffy has a boned necklace.
  7. OscarandTelly

    OscarandTelly Well-Known Member

    That's true that it didn't happen too often but it happens in episode 3256 Elmo mentions preposterous, another Kevin Clash character. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=272s&v=-z-iYY61YLU
  8. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I still am confused about which Muppet is Chrissy and which one is Richard. I have always thought that Rockin' Richard is the Lavender Muppet, and Chrissy is the Pumpkin Muppet. In "Telephone Rock," it sounds like Richard Hunt is performing the Lavender Muppet, and Chris Cerf voices the Pumpkin Muppet, which supports my thoughts.

    But things got confusing when I watched the video for "Proud." Chris Cerf voiced the Lavender Muppet who I thought was Rockin' Richard. Then...guess who! Jerry Nelson voices Chrissy, who I thought was the Pumpkin Muppet. Just to be sure: is Chrissy definitely the Lavender Muppet, and is Richard the Pumpkin one? Or has it always been ambiguous over the years?
  9. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    That used to bother me, but now I just try not to think about it.

    Personally, for me, the fact that the lavender puppet was referred to as Chrissy, ignoring the fact that the Pumpkin puppet had Big Jeffy's voice (pre-recorded music, and this seemed to be roughly around the time the actual Big Jeffy puppet was being used for Little Chrissy, which, as a result, the pumpkin puppet was just used as a filler character) is good enough for me. But at the end of the day, I think the best thing to do is just believe who you think is who so you don't give yourself a headache over it.
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  10. Froggy Fool

    Froggy Fool Well-Known Member

    Don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I've noticed that Jerry Nelson had a very distinguishable style of puppeteering, specifically in Gobo and Robin the Frog, but also in the Count and Herry Monster.

    I don't really know how to describe it except it seems like he is moving the mouth less than other puppeteers; he fits many more syllables in each mouth movement.

    For example, when Robin says "Gee, Uncle Kermit", instead of saying in 5 syllables, he might only say it in 3. I know Muppeteers aren't supposed to puppeteer to every syllable, but in Jerry Nelson's performances, it seems more noticeable.
    cahuenga likes this.
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    We've discussed this before, but yeah, and as I've pointed out before, it's really noticable in "Readers of the Open Range," so much so it almost looks as if Jerry isn't even putting any effort in lip syncing here:

    Even Jim has examples of this, particularly with Ernie, and I don't know if the size and shape of the head and mouth has anything to do with it or what, because I think the bigger the head, and stiffer the mouth, the more difficult it is to really hit each syllable properly.
    Froggy Fool likes this.
  12. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Well, let's be honest - Jerry was easily the weakest of the core Muppeteer group when it comes to the actual manipulation.
    Froggy Fool likes this.
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I won't argue with that, but I think we can also agree (and even Jim has said so) that he really had one of the best singing voices among the group.
    cahuenga likes this.
  14. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Jerry and Richard I think had the best.
  15. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Random subject of Readers of the Open Range, before Shane first put it on YouTube in '08, I actually used to remember it as the cowfolks walking on foot and entering and exiting buildings as they sang it.... amazing how the mind can really fool you....
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Even though "Everyone Likes Ice Cream" is infamous for Caroll's lack-luster puppeteering performance, ironically, I think it includes one of Jim's best puppeteering performances - he really nails every syllable well in that one.
  17. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

  18. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Oh wow, oddly enough, I noticed how the purple boy's glasses start to come loose.... That, and the green boy seems to have Lefty's angry eyes (just found it interesting since they're both green Muppets).
  19. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    Then who had the best manipulation out of the original core Muppet performers?
  20. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I'd say Frank to be honest.
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