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Little things we've noticed

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by minor muppetz, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was watching the Sesame Street News clip where Kermit asks the three little pigs how they feel about the Big Bad Wolf blowing their houses down. With the mid-1980s title card, the title card actually raises up from the screen, as opposed to fading to the first scene. I wonder if there are other News segments to have a transition like that.

    Just watch the clip and see what I'm talking about: http://www.sesamestreet.org/video_p...6-155d-11dd-a62f-919b98326687/news_three_pigs

    Also, when the card is on-screen, look at the right side of the screen. A small part of the set can be seen, as if the title card is actually there live on camera as opposed to being made and added in post-production.
  2. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It seems like even before Maria and Luis had become a couple, there had been a number of segments where they seem to portray a couple, such as season 16's "You Say Hola" and season 18's "Sing Your Synonyms".
  3. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There is a goof I've noticed in Follow That Bird for years. I can't remember if I ever mentioned it on the forum or not. But it concerns the scene where it's announced on the news that Big Bird is going back to Sesame Street.

    When Big Bird sneaks out of the house, it's starting to get dark outside. When we see our Sesame Street friends watching the news, it's obviously a lot darker outside. New York is an hour ahead of Illinois, so I don't know if the level of darkness would be too different. But when they watch the news, it is obviously daytime at the Dodo's house. This leads to some goofs regardless of whether it's supposed to be a live broadcast or not. But before I get to some other goofs, I'll point out that at the end of the scene, when we see Big Bird watching from some outdoor television sets, it's as dark outside there as it was at Sesame Street at the same time.

    Now, it could have been a pre-recorded news broadcast, but the newscaster said "This just in" before reporting. Odd that a news report that was "just in" would have had a pre-recorded interview. Also, Big Bird left at nighttime, thinking he'd get back in three hours. He mentioned it in the note to the Dodo's, and he doesn't know that it'll take longer than three hours until the day after it's reported, and acts surprised when he learns this. If Big Bird had been heading home for one day and two nights then he should have realised sooner that it wouldn't take three hours, unless he doesn't exactly know how long an hour is (he certainly knew a week was longer, and seemed to know that three hours wasn't too much longer than two).

    And if it was live, then I guess that news program was national and located in Illinois, if they were able to send a newscrew to Oceanview that quickly. And it seems Miss Finch got there very quicly as well, and was even in the Feather Friends car. I assume the Feather Friends have their meetings near Sesame Street, so I don't know if Feathered Friends may have a few districts/offices all around the world and Finch suddenly got transferred to Oceanview or what. Or if she took a plane and there happened to be a Feathered Friends district willing to let her use their car.

    And of course, in the scene after the news report, when Big Bird leaves the area he's in, Miss Finch quickly shows up, having just missed Big Bird. If the news report was live, then Big Bird must not have gotten too far (I know, a car can outrun feet, but still...).

    Of course there could be another explanation for Miss Finch being there so fast, which would make sense. She could have already been in the area, perhaps to check up on Big Bird, and to visit her friends (she said she knew them). It would have made a bit of sense, since Miss Finch cared so much about living with a bird family while on the news the Dodo's didn't show any signs of concern over Big Bird's absense. It would make sense if she showed up and found the note and was the one who alerted the news.

    Also, Big Bird left the note telling them he was going back to Sesame Street, yet he also seemed to sneak out when he did. So he felt the need to sneak out yet he wasn't afraid to let them know where he was going?
  4. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In the segment where Kermit interviews John-John, Kermit asks John-John if he minds if he asks some questions, and John-John nods, yet Kermit asks anyway. I guess John-John didn't know the difference between minding and not minding, but I wonder how he felt if he really did mind and was asked anyway.

    I also noticed that in the first episode, there's quite a few segments that seem to have fade-ins at the beginning while the previous segments don't end with fade-outs. In some instances it seems the segments cut to black at the end before the next segment fades from black, but it is a bit odd (maybe they weren't too skilled at editing yet).

    Especially noticable is the ending of the S claymation: We hear a big musical sting and it's about to fade to black, but then it cuts to the next scene. It doesn't fully fade to black, and I wouldn't be surprised if we would have heard a little bit more music (even if just a millisecond) if the segment fully faded to black in episode 1.

    I also noticed that in episode one Bert's arm wire is connected to his elbow as opposed to his wrist.
  5. dwmckim Well-Known Member

    The concept of "do you mind?' is so confusing to a kid. I had the hardest time understanding it when i was Sesame age. It almost seemed like a trick question (actually, in adulthood it does do). "No" is a positive answer, and "yes" allows the asker of the question to assume the person being asked actually means "no, i don't mind".
  6. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I noticed that in Carribian Amphibian that when we see the outline of where the frog has hopped from island to island the outline almost looks like an outline of a side view of an eagles head.
  7. muppet maniac Well-Known Member

    Okay, I've noticed that...

    *Ernie and Bert live in the basement of 123, and their windows are behind the railing (or dumpster? Whatever it’s called). However, with the exception of season 1, all we see out the window is a blue sky :confused:

    Even more peculiar is in the skit where Bert goes out to mail a letter (Ernie plays the drums), after he leaves the room, we see him walking by outside the window.

    Here is the sketch. FF to 00:38 to see my point:



    *In the earlier seasons (the first three, that is), Cookie Monster actually spoke in first person – saying “I want cookie” as opposed to “Me want cookie”, although there were times in seasons 2-3 when “Me” (and sometimes “Monster”, as Cookie referred to himself back in season 1) would slip in. Of course starting in season 4, Cookie spoke in his now trademark diction.

    *Also in the earlier seasons – I believe Drtooth has pointed this out several times before – Oscar seemed a little…...um, how should I say this…...brighter than he would become later on.

    I mean, sure he was a grouch who hated the sunshine, cleanliness, politness, company of others, etc. and was often telling people to go away and leave him alone. But on the other hand…

    You know what, I think I’ll let you observe on your own:

    A scene from #54


    The original 1969 version of I Love Trash


    The E/B chocolate ice cream skit


    The skit where Ernie loses his rubber duckie:


    Susan sings "If You're Happy and You Know It"


    A scene from #276


    The first couple of seconds of "Rain Falls"


    There’s also his appearance on The Flip Wilson Show, but that sketch isn’t on YouTube. (It was on there years ago, but it was
    taken down) At one point in that sketch, Oscar had a Christmas party in his can. Talk about what would happen five years later!

    Heck, in the Rainstorm episode from season 3 (#355), Oscar was pretty mad when he got splashed by the passing car. Normally, he’d like that sort of thing.
  8. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One exception would be the recent song "I Wonder", where we can see (through the magic of computer animation) a sillohutte of the buildings outside the window.
  9. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was just watching episode 666, and I noticed that at the end of the scene, where Oscar shows that nobody is happy, before some and then everyone is happy, that at the very end, Oscar starts laughing as well. And he had appeared to be unhappy because of them being happy... I wonder what made Oscar happy there.

    Actually, I wonder what was up with the happiness in the scene. EVERYBODY quickly went from being unhappy to being happy, for no apparrent reason. I can see some of them cheering up, but unless they all planned on becomming happy to make Oscar miserable, it doens't make sense.

    It's also odd that everybody is laughing. I can see them smiling if they are happy, but just because you're happy doesn't mean you have to crack up. I laugh if something is funny, not because I am happy. It sort of reminds me of a stupid commercial I saw for a dentist, where a dentists patients are supposed to pose for a picture but keep laughing because they want to show off their clean teeth. If they want to show their teeth, just smile, don't keep laughing.
  10. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've noticed something about this clip: http://www.sesamestreet.org/video_p...-a2fa-4d58-bbb4-7283261c2194/everybody_knocks

    Oscar sets up many trash cans on Sesame Street so nobody would know which one he's in, and not only that, but he's put piles of trash by each can, including crates and bags. But does he really need all that trash around the outside of his cans? It makes sense to have that pile of trash around his trash can to hide Caroll Spinney (as there aren't any trap doors on the floor), so I wonder if that was done so that those of us who know how it's done would still be guessing (I mean the kids wouldn't know there's a performer needing to hide).
  11. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    After watching Spaceship Surprise: The Next Generation: Planet H, I noticed a line at the end, saying "See you some year for Spaceship Surprise..." I don't know if that's the only "Next Generation" segment (it's the only one mentioned on the wiki), but it seems they might have been planning on making the segments few and far between.

    And it got me thinking, it seems like a lot of recurring segments that don't have many installments had each installment made several years apart. Seems that way for segments like Alphabet Chat, Here is Your Life, Beat the Time... I feel there's something I'm forgetting. It also seems like, after season 6, Super Grover segments had season-long gaps (I know of one segment from season 5, and three from season 6, I think the barber shop segment is from either season 5 or 6), and I think Monsterpiece Theater started out that way.
  12. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've recently found a clip from episode 3083:

    One thing that I noticed: When Bruno whispers to Oscar, it looks more like he's trying to kiss Oscar. Yeah, it's hard for Caroll Spinney to move Bruno's mouth when he's got his hands full with Oscar, but it's a shame he didn't just try to move a mouth wire to stimulate small mouth movements (since there wouldn't have to be an accurate lip sync).
  13. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was watching some of Richard Hunt's performances as Captain Vegetable last night, and noticed that Richard's version has both regular Muppet ears AND bunny ears. Two sets of ears??? I thought those kinds of ears on Anything Muppets were removable (the season two sketch "I Wanna Hold Your Ear" shows the female characters ears taken off.... Though these are different time periods AND different Anything Muppets).
  14. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I hadn't noticed this before, but after watching the Big Bird and Snuffy "Ice Follies" skit, I can kind of see (I assume) where the performers were able to see out of. I see a spot on Big Bird's neck where feathers don't cover much, and I've noticed Snuffy having big black spots under his eyes, presumably so the suit performer could look out.

    And after that when watching segments with the regular Snuffy puppet/costume I've noticed a little bit of darker dark fur under his eyes. Don't know if that's a way for the regular performer to see (I always assumed the front performer wears a monitor like Caroll Spinney does).
  15. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I'd like to note some little things I've noticed after watching Old School Volume 3:
    • In the Bert and Ernie: Pyramid segment, it seems the Ernie statue moves slightly when he's not supposed to. When they first encounter the statues the Ernie statue seems to slightly move back and fourth. I guess the performer probably had trouble standing fully still with a puppet on his arm above his head. I have trouble holding still as well (I've made quite a few YouTube videos where I'm supposed to be standing but unintentionally ended up moving my body as if I was drowsy or drunk).
    • In Big Hello 1-20, near the end Big Bird seems to count people who aren't on screen. When Mr. Macintosh and two kids show up Big Bird counts four numbers, and when he counts the rest it soon cuts to a close-up of Big Bird but even then we see less than 20 until after he counts to 20, but in the last shot we do see 20 characters altogether (Deena is one character who wasn't shown until the group shot).
    • In the Sesame Street News "The Old Lady Who Lived in a Shoe" segment, I thought I heard one of the kids refer to another as Frank, but when the old lady lists the names of her kids, she never refers to any of them as Frank. Unless the old lady is actually named Frank (or maybe she had so many kids she didn't know what to do about that she couldn't remember all of them).
    • This doesn't appear on the set, but after seeing it on the recent Best of Friends DVD, I've noticed that in That Grouchy Face, at the beginning when James Taylor first sings to Oscar and Oscar goes down into his can, you can see a little of Oscar's fur from out the backside of the trashcan (since that's where the hole for Caroll to perform Oscar through is).
  16. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In "The King's Nose", it seems like only Jim and Frank were allowed to operate their characters, while anybody (probably Richard) could handle Jerry's. In early scenes, when various characters are surrounding Mumford, we see Bert, Grover, Kermit, Guy Smiley, Herry, and Sherlock Hemlock. It's obvious that Frank's performing Bert and Grover at once, and obvious that Jim's performing Kermit and Guy. But at the end of the story, when Ernie comes in, Kermit and Guy are no longer there. I think Bert and Grover weren't present in the scene either (I haven't watched the skit in awhile), but if they weren't then they were gone by the time Cookie Monster showed up.
  17. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    After watching the "Talky Stick" several times, I've noticed something weird about Warren Wolf's teeth. It looks like he could be wearing a retainer over his few fangs.

    I wondered if maybe this was a reference to Warner Wolf, whom Warren is based on, but then I looked at the wikipedia page for Warner Wolf and didn't see anything about him having braces, a retainer, or anything about his teeth, nor did I notice anything odd about his teeth when looking at pictures online.

    In that same sketch I noticed that Warren Wolf seems to have a thing for lollypops. I wonder if that was also a known trait of Warner Wolf. I know it's a character trait for Kojak.
  18. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Not exactly a "little thing", but something obvious that I can't believe I hadn't noticed until tonight (should I start a seperate thread for obvious things we were slow to notice?:) ). But tonight for the first time I actually noticed that each Jazz Numbers segment actually begins with a different bit of animation including the featured number before the counting opening begins. For some reason I thought they all began exactly the same way, but now I can see that they all began with some item with the featured number before the counting began. For example, Jazz #2 begins with a man riding his bike towards the camera, with a 2 on his shirt, Jazz #7 begins with a track runner with a 7 on his shirt, Jazz #8 begins with a magic 8 ball rolling on the screen, and so on.

    The ones I've watched the most are the few that are on DVD (Jazz #2) and sesamestreet.org (Jazz #4 and #7), but that's still no excuse for me not to have noticed this until now.
  19. cjd874 Well-Known Member

    On Old School Volume 2, there is something interesting about "What's the Name of That Song?" After the Count's verse, the camera cuts to the human cast singing the remaining verses. Mr. MacIntosh enters with his fruit cart, and right next to Mr. MacIntosh (on the left of the screen) you can see Jerry Nelson's feet moving away as he tries to get out of the camera shot. I think he's still holding up the Count, too. Start @2:46.
  20. cjd874 Well-Known Member

    And I also just realized that Luis is absent from both specials Christmas Eve on SS and Don't Eat the Pictures, while the rest of the cast was there (except for Mr. Hooper in DETP). I wonder why Luis wasn't in either one?

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