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    Sesame Street's 49th season officially began Saturday November 17 on HBO. After you see the new episodes, post here and let us know your thoughts.

Little things we've noticed

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by minor muppetz, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Sad but true. Drake from Drake and Josh is another good example, as well as basically the entire cast of The Suite Life Of Zack and Cody. And adult comedies aren't immune to this either.
    After a while it starts to limit the types of stories you can tell with them.
     
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  2. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I think it’s more of the writers haven’t been doing anything different with Grover. When was the last time Super Grover was on the show or anything with Mr Johnson.
     
  3. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    That's also a good point. We don't see him take on other roles/functions as often as we used to.
     
  4. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    You know, looking deeper at How Now Brown of the Moo Wave, I seriously think they modeled him after Sting of the Police.
     
  5. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I just realize a little something, seems throughout the 80s and 90s, Kevin would substitute as a major character when the performer wasn’t there like Kermit in Big Bird story time, Grover in Monster in the Mirror, Count in Counting Vacation. Is there any more examples of this?
     
  6. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    You know what I was just thinking?

    I'm actually glad Little Jerry's "Danger" got released on the 60 favorite songs album under its original studio recording, because if it was re-recorded for the signs album with Jerry providing bass vocals again and (I'm guessing) the Pointer Brothers also providing backup vocals (they did a pretty bad job in all of the songs, personally), I can imagine it sounded just as cheesey and watered-down like "Telephone Rock."
     
  7. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Another thing I was just thinking:

    While Little Chrissy and the Alphabeats being credited for singing "One Way" remains a mystery to me, I can't help but wonder if, given that two of the green greaser's friends look like the Alphabeats, that song was originally intended to be a Little Chrissy song, and the album version was released first with credit and all, but when production on filming for that song came about, it was quickly changed to a generic AM greaser with another extra character added in (the blue guy), with the green and lavender AM's changed to generic greaser characters but with the same facials and hair added on.

    I was also wondering if they were credited for singing "Mary Had a Bycicle" because the person in charge of creating the album's artwork probably didn't see the TV version, heard Cerf's vocals in the background and just assumed it was Chrissy and his band.
     
  8. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Since I've gotten better with noticing puppetry movements, it just now occured to me that Chrissy and Richard in "Mary had a Bycicle" were both puppeteered by the same person (I'm guessing Frank Oz).
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You can kind of almost always tell when two puppets are performed by one person, giving how too perfectly in-sync their body movements and lip-syncing are; however, usually one of the puppets (more likely the one on the left, since most of the performers are right-handed) is still a little off somehow.
     
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  10. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah, like the puppets just stare off into space.
     
  11. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I just happened to notice what looks like a small TV when it shows Nick Normal sitting on top of the flashing "N" box with the smoke continually puffing in "NTV."
     
  12. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I noticed in the "Naptime" song with Ernie and Bert that was filmed exclusively for video, Kevin Clash is doing the puppetry for Bert.
     
  13. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Noticed a slip-up from Caroll in the Grandma's day episode:

    Big Bird: No big bad wolf is gonna get- keep ME from seeing my granny!
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've noticed something similar in the "St. Ives" bit, where the purple AM says, "I was the only one going to St. Ives, 'cause all the others were goin' the wr-- the other way."
     
  15. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I think I pointed that out a couple pages back. :p
     
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Now here's one: toward the end of the Twilight parody, when we dissolve to Belly and Shortbreadward's wedding day, Shortbreadward suddenly gets a huge pot belly out of nowhere! If I didn't know any better, I'd think Belly somehow got Shortbreadward pregnant! They even pet his belly like he's carrying a baby yumpire! :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Recently it hit me that a lot of episodes where the street scenes were repeated two years later are episodes that contain an original song in the street story. Episodes like 1663 which was repeated as 1899 has Bob singing about the Indiana farm he was born on, and the episode where Biff gets a bowling ball stuck on his thumb, with a song about holding hands, was repeated two seasons later. I believe the episode where Big Bird hosted a number four show, with "I Just Adore Four", was also repeated later, though I'm starting to wonder if the original performance of "I Just Adore Four" was later repeated as an insert or not (I know it's been in video compilations, but I don't think I've ever heard of the original being in an episode other than one with the street story).

    I guess since they were writing original songs, they might have wanted to get some use out of the song and have viewers hear them again. I don't think it's so much the case when songs that have been redone many times were in a new street story. The first season had street scenes with characters singing established songs which were only in one episode, not to mention many early performances of One of These Things that seem like they were only in one episode each, but that song was reprised so many times they might not have felt the need to repeat those street stories (not to mention they didn't start repeating street scenes two years later until much later). The second season had a couple early performances of "Sing" that I don't think were repeated (the second known performance even has them acknowledging that it was sung a few weeks earlier).

    Of course there's also some that weren't repeated. I'm not sure if episode 900 (based on Ernie and Bert's Sing Along) or the episode where the street scenes appeared in the Sing-Along video, but those songs were all either public domain tunes or songs that have been on the show before (I've also noticed, looking at the guides, that the first street scenes last a long time before getting to inserts). The episode where Luis and Maria get married also has a lot of original songs that I don't think were reused later (nor was the plot re-used). I wonder if the episode where Gina meets Little Jerry was repeated two seasons later (I kinda want to say it wasn't, because Gina and David were only on the show together for two seasons and I doubt they would have repeated any David scenes after that). The episode where Gina writes in her diary wasn't repeated, but "Put It in the Trash Can" was repeated as an insert. I think there were other episodes with songs as part of the street story where the songs became inserts. And I'm not really sure about the episode with "Happy Tapping".

    While not a musical number, it seems like Elmo playing musical statue was part of an episode with two separate stories. It was originally part of episode 3156, which for the first half has a plot involving the Furry Arms Hotel and the second half has a plot where Gordon tutors Carlos, the Elmo segment is pretty much stand-alone, but I recently found that that street story was repeated in season 27, with the statue segment included.... and looking at what Muppet Wiki pages the image links to, I didn't see any other episodes linked (and now the wiki has full rundowns of pretty much every episode past season 22, I even found that there's no longer any pages missing segments cut from HBO or Sprout, and none of the episodes airing as part of Noggin's 123 Sesame Street are missing segments, either). Though it has been uploaded online by Sesame Workshop and was included in a Play with me Sesame DVD (I think I also saw it in a Play with Me Sesame episode on Netflix).
     
  18. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I'm sure everyone probably already guessed this, but from looking at How Now Brown's body movements, that's definitely Jim Henson puppeteering him.

    Just the way he dances around and moves his head shows it.
     
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The "123" in the actual SS sign and the "123" in the logo version of the SS sign aren't in the same font.
     
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Sometimes in certain inserts with a solid-colored backdrop, the arm rods will be the same color as the backdrop, and in many cases, it actually does work quite effectively, but mostly if it's a neutral-colored backdrop, like that kind of biege-ish colored one they used throughout Season 1.

    Otherwise, when the backdrop is a really bright color, it's far less effective, such as this insert, with the bright, sky-blue arm rods sticking out painfully against the dark colored AMs:
     


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