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  2. Sesame Street Season 49
    Sesame Street's 49th season officially began Saturday November 17 on HBO. After you see the new episodes, post here and let us know your thoughts.

Little things we've noticed

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by minor muppetz, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I think David Rudman is puppeteering the singer Louise Gold is voicing.
     
  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Nah, that's distinctly Louise doing the puppetry.
     
  3. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    Then why does it say on Muppet Wiki, she only provided the vocals?
     
  4. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    It says the lead vocals are done by her, not exclusively the vocals and nothing else.
     
  5. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I must’ve read it wrong, my apologies.
     
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've noticed these different colored recycling bins beside Hooper's Store before.
     
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Not exactly sure whether this is the thread for what I'm going to bring up, but here goes.

    I wonder if the Muppet segments were supposed to be repeated. I know that primarily the animated segments, particularly letter and number segments, were made with the intention of being shown in multiple episodes, like commercials. And in the first season, when each episode of the week was sponsored by the same letters and numbers, they'd at least repeat many of the film/animation segments throughout the week, but the Muppet segments didn't get that treatment (it was rare for the same Muppet segment to be shown twice in one episode, but I think I've found some examples on the wiki).

    But recently, I was looking through Muppet Wiki's guides for the first few weeks, and it seems like it took a while before any Muppet inserts were repeated. Can't remember how long (maybe three or four weeks) or what the first Muppet insert was to be repeated in a later episode (of course I'm not counting the three crocodiles in Baker #3 or five monsters in Baker #5).

    I'm sure Muppet inserts were always meant to be repeated, but now if I saw official word to the contrary I would not be surprised. Aside from it taking a bit of time before any Muppet segments were repeated (which, while I can't remember how long it took, wasn't really that long), the first season had a lot of Muppet inserts that ended with them introducing the next segment or began with them talking about (sometimes watching the end of) the previous segment, and the first season had a lot of multi-part segments (and with many cases where they introduced specific cartoons before the next part, making it a bit complicated to repeat a lot). I think a lot of the really long multi-part segments (especially ones that took four or five parts) were introduced in the first weeks of the show.

    Of course I wonder if street scenes and segments with human cast members were intended on being repeated. I'm certain street scenes with celebrity guests (like James Earl Jones) were, but there are a lot of street scenes that weren't repeated (and a lot of them didn't tie in with a plot, so there's not really a reason not to), though with looking at many Muppet Wiki guides, it looks like there were a lot of cast segments that don't take place on the street that weren't repeated, like the many renditions of "One of These Things". And while they did take place on the street, the first season has a lot of scenes where the adults read an existing children's book, which all seem to have been meant to only show in one episode (I assume that might have more to do with the rights to include the book on the show, though inserts featuring existing songs were repeated in other episodes).
     
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In the past year, as I've learned of more segments Jim Henson did during his final season, it seems like Sesame Workshop has released very few of his final segments on home video or online.

    Segments Jim Henson performed in that premiered during season 21:
    • Kermit News: Old MacDonald's Health Farm
    • Kermit News: The Amazing Mumford's big and small trick
    • Kermit News: The Tortoise and the Hare rematch
    • Kermit News: The Bird Family
    • The Heart of a Frog
    • I Wonder About the World Above Up There
    • Don't Throw That Trash on the Ground
    • Best Friends Blues
    • Bert and Ernie: Heavy and light game
    • Ernie and Bert's opposite game
    • Cave Person Days: Taking out the trash
    • Air with Guy Smiley
    • Guy Smiley's audience goes to lunch

    Out of all of those, back when sesamestreet.org had a lot of classic clips, only "the audience goes to lunch" and "Don't Throw That Trash on the Ground" were included (and I really don't know whether those are still on the site). In recent years, Sesame Workshop has uploaded I Wonder About the World Above Up There and News: The Bird Family on YouTube, but I think that's it when it comes to Sesame Workshop officially uploading material Jim Henson did.

    And, at least in North America, none of this has been released on home video (the closest is a small clip from Mumford's big and small trick being included in the Sesame Street News montage in The Best of Kermit on Sesame Street). Kinda reminds me of being disappointed when 40 Years of Sunny Days didn't have any of Jim Henson's performances from season 21 (at the time there were only four segments I knew for sure were from that year, one I suspected, I also incorrectly suspected the Ernie and Cookie Monster "zero cookies" sketch was from that season, and I had wanted to know more about what sketches Henson performed in during his last year).

    It's probably just a coincidence that so few of the segments made during Jim Henson's last year have been made available online (and pretty much none of it on video), but it is a shame, many of them are great, some underrated.

    But wow, Henson had such a busy schedule, yet they were able to get him to do at least 13 segments in one year (not sure if Henson did any one-shot Anything Muppets that season), though I don't know if any were held over from previous seasons (there's some that I know I can rule out on being held over). And I had wondered for years if Henson and Frank Oz performed together on Sesame Street during seasons 19-21 (considering both had really busy schedules and might have had trouble being booked at the same time for the show, though in the "In Their Own Words" documentary Oz said that the two were scheduled to perform together on the show on the day Jim Henson died), and I now know that the two performed in at least three sketches that season.
     
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  9. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I actually think Henson provided some backing vocals for the green Alphabeat in “Startin’ Kindergarten.”
     
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In addition to all those season 21 segments I listed that Jim Henson did, Muppet Wiki does list Ernie and Bert going to the movies to see "The Picnic" with a season 21 EKA, but looking at a wiki page from after its earliest known appearance, the wiki just lists it as an eka, not first, so it could have aired earlier (and I have been told that the scripts do indicate segments that debut in the episodes so it probably aired earlier).
     
  11. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    That bit is from season 16.
     
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Thinking a bit about the Bert and Ernie sketches that were produced in season 21, it's fitting that one of Frank Oz's last performances as Bert alongside Ernie is one where Bert is genre-savvy enough to be aware that as soon as he wants to play the game that Ernie will be ready to end, while another is a rare segment where Bert is enthusiastic from the start about playing a game that Ernie initiates.
     
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    "Snuffy Revealed" on YouTube has become "Snuffy Revolved" in recent years. I honestly don't know if that's a genuine typo on somebody's part, or if it's some sort of an attempt to beat copyright . . . the latter of which makes me doubtful, because YT's copyright system can identify audio/visual content regardless of the title, description, tags, even the privacy settings.
     
  14. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I mean, given that we once had a series of videos of Snuffy knocking things down, doesn’t surprise me anymore.
     
  15. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    For anyone that doesn't know, the Cookie Monster puppet has a hole in the back of its mouth so that cookies, letters, telephones, and bicycle parts can actually go down his "throat." Usually, I thought he would just mash the food up and send cookie crumbs flying in all directions. But I've noticed that sometimes, most of the food/objects actually did go down his mouth. Check out these classic sketches to see what I mean:

     
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Thinking more about Jim Henson's last Sesame Street segments...

    The heavy and light game is one of the only times when Ernie initiates a game and Bert is actually excited about playing one of Ernie's games at the start. Nobody really knew that Jim Henson wouldn't have much time left (though I've seen quotes from people suspecting that Jim suspecting he'd die at a fairly young age), but if they knew, Bert's excitement over playing a game with Ernie (when he rarely wants to) could have had a little subtext - like knowing a friend or relative won't be around for too much longer and being excited to spend a little more time with them.

    Then again, Bert's excitement also could have subtly reflected both Jim Henson and Frank Oz's busy careers. I used to wonder if they did anything together on Sesame Street during seasons 20 and 21, due to both busy careers, (and now know that some of their performances together premiered in those seasons), but Frank Oz did point out in 1989's An Evening with Jim Henson and Frank Oz that his directing career limited his involvement with The Jim Henson Hour (where Henson and Oz also barely worked together) and the recent seasons of Sesame Street, so it could be Oz being happy to have some time to work with Jim Henson again, after being so busy with his directorial career. And there have been a number of quotes that Henson and Oz usually improvised most of the dialogue from the Ernie and Bert sketches, so it could be Oz's own excitement as opposed to a writer putting it in the script.

    Now knowing that "Best Friends Blues" came out in season 21, where Ernie mentions that Bert was suddenly sick, I guess it's great that it was Bert who got sick and not Ernie, otherwise that could have been a "harsher in hindsight" with one of Jim Henson's characters getting sick so suddenly. And it's also good that Jim Henson finally got to perform one of his characters interacting with Mr. Snuffleupagus, so close to before it would have been too late.

    On the subject of another of Jim Henson's last segments, but no coincidence or subtext or anything, in the opposite game segment, Bert spends the whole segment being genre savvy, telling Ernie that he knows every time Ernie wants to play a game that Bert doesn't, he'll keep pestering him/roping him into the game anyway, and always happens to end right when Bert decides he wants to play. Which does end up happening here... Too bad Bert didn't decide to play then, knowing that's what would happen. Maybe it should have ended with Bert making a line similar to his "can't lose them all" from the drum beats game. Or maybe this was why he was so excited about playing a game in the heavy and light game - he decided to be enthusiastic from the start in hopes that Ernie would be ready to stop playing soon.
     
  17. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I was surprised to find out “Sad” by Little Jerry was actually a season 5 skit.

    Granted, when it first came on the Internet, I actually thought it was from that season, but was surprised to see it was incorrectly listed in a season 4 episode. Looking at it now, it makes sense because it didn’t look as bright/overexposed as seasons 1-4.
     
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    There's a variation with Milo Counting when it comes to #12: in the segment where he counts to 12, we see a tight shot of him emerging from the tall grass, and it gradually pulls out when he moves further out of the grass into the foreground; in the segment where he counts to 13, the #12 portion is a single wide shot of him emerging from the grass and moving forward, with no pulling or other camera adjustments.
     
  19. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Milo, has it ever been confirmed if 13 is the highest the skits have gone to or no?
     
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It appears so. I mean, I've never seen higher than 13, and there's nothing on the Wiki about anything higher.
     


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