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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Mary Louise, Feb 16, 2011.

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  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well, Animal's the only member of the band who spoke in that movie, so Clifford could have been there and silent. But somehow I think he'd look out of place in The Muppet Christmas Carol (if Muppet Treasure Island came after the Pirates of the Carribian movies I could see him fitting in there).
  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was recently watching the UK spot from the Andy Williams episode (where Sam talks about his family life), and it seems that must have been shot during the Christopher Reeves episode. There are images of Superman backstage. Something tells me this was intended for that episode but for some reason shown in a later episode. Also watched "Sam's Song" (the UK spot from the Christopher Reeves episode), which begins in the part of backstage where those Superman pictures appear in the Andy Williams UK spot, and those Superman photos aren't there (instead there's pictures of a number of past guest stars).

    Also noticed that in both UK spots, there's a black and white photo of Kermit from the original opening.
  3. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I would say they were taped at the same time, considering there's a continuity thing involving the singing cheeses in the Andy Williams episode.
  4. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    In "It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie", watch the Club Dot scene closely. When Daniel asks Kermit if he believes what he is seeing, and Kermit says that he is starting to, you can see Sal walking behind Daniel. He appears to carrying a tree and wearing a wig, and I'm assuming he had a scene in Club Dot that was cut. We get a better look at him in some of the behind the scenes footage.
  5. Nasubionna

    Nasubionna Active Member

    This may be old news, but I only just noticed while taking screencaps for drawing reference that Link's sergeant uniform from "Bear on Patrol", the patch on his left shoulder says "Macho Desk Sergeant". Ha!

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    Also noticed that during the "Last Dance" number from the Lesley Ann Warren show you can see a bit of Jim's arm (wearing what looks like a plaid flannel shirt) performing Link for a moment. While some might consider anytime you catch a glimpse of the puppeteer as a goof, I find it rather magical and endearing. :)
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Somebody recently uploaded Gonzo Presents Muppet Weird Stuff on YouTube, and there's something I noticed about one of the introductions. While Kermit is visiting and referring to Gonzo's "cultural" interests as weird, Gonzo tells Kermit that's he's always been very stubborn/dismissive of Gonzo's acts. This is followed by the Jabborwocky clip and then the clip where Gonzo tells Kermit about his dancing cheese act. Somehow, I wonder if the original intent may have been to have the dancing cheese scene follow that introduction, since in that clip Kermit clearly WASN'T interested in Gonzo's act, and then the editors chose to put another clip between those two scenes.
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Rewatched the scene, and the actual quote is "Why have you always had such a stubborn resistance to art?" So Gonzo didn't directly say anything about his acts, but still, seems the clip of Gonzo trying to pitch his dancing cheese act should have immediately followed. Or the backstage scene that preceded the hypnotism act (since Gonzo had to have his hypnotised chickens force Kermit to make an introduction). Or some of the backstage scenes from the Charles Aznavour episode.

    Does anybody else feel like the presence of the jugband during Roy Clark's Rocky Top number was there just so it wouldn't be a guest star-only segment? They appear, in different sides of the split screen, each getting replaced one-at-a-time by Roy Clark, and they only come back at the very end as the song ends. If this was any other variety show or music video (at least of the non-puppet variety), the guets star would have most likely have been the only one there. Interestingly, most of this performance is instrumental, with the lyrics only sung at the end. I remember, years before this, hearing an audio recording of Rocky Top, and thinking that it sounded like a Muppet jugband song... Sort of a waste to have most of it instrumental and not even have the jugband sing back-up.
  8. blackaerin

    blackaerin Active Member

    While scavenging for "new look" Electric Mayhem pics for fanart references, I noticed that Zoot and Janice have matching bracelets.
    Oh, and Nigel looks uncannily like a Fraggle. Wonder if he wraps his tail around his waist like a belt under that suit he always wears...
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  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Is it just me, or is Gonzo a bit more egotistical than usual in Gonzo Presents Muppet Weird Stuff (unfortunately, the person who uploaded it removed it recently)? He tries hard to hide the fact that he lives in a mansion, and he seems to have a number of self-congraduatory comments ("Naturally I need no introduction, but I am Gonzo the Great", "And now let's focus on a great artist - me!", "And now I'll show you some more of my great acts, but how does one condense such talent in such a small time frame? Well we will try"). I know on The Muppet Show he often pushed for his acts, sometimes needing to convince Kermit to put him on or defend his weird acts, but still...

    I also noticed at the very end of Muppet Weird Stuff there's a credit saying that "The Muppet Show is a production of ITC/Henson Associates". That particular credit doesn't appear in the few other compilations that are on YouTube (which are among the first four, according to the promo). Interesting that that credit would be listed. And I thought ITC was just the original distributor of The Muppet Show.

    And speaking of credits, those Playhouse videos start out listing video-speciffic credits and then Muppet Show credits (with "The Muppet Show" appearing before the show credits and a switch in credit color, I think from white to yellow). But even then, it lists the guest stars and the main 8 Muppet performers before The Muppet Show set of credits (I'm pretty sure that not all of the main performers were in linking footage... I'm pretty confident Jerry Nelson didn't perform in any). Not too big a deal, but it would have been great if the first set of credits listed the linking footage performers and then the performers from clips were listed, maybe even to see if any non-TMS performers performed in any of the linking footage. And the videos don't seem to say who wrote the linking material (though the credits do list Jerry Juhl as "Creative Consultant", I guess that means he was the writer... and a Jim Henson's Red Book post mentions that Henson and Juhl selected the clips).

    And I may have mentioned this before, but it seems every compilation (Playhouse Video, It's the Muppets, and The Very Best of the Muppet Show) only list the same 8 Muppet performers (Henson, Oz, Nelson, Hunt, Goelz, Whitmire, Mullen, and Prell), even though they do include performances from other Muppet performers. Heck, I've noticed that the It's the Muppets videos limit material from season one, and for awhile I wonder if it was to avoid including anything John Lovelady and Eren Ozker performed in (to avoid paying residuals or avoid crediting, perhaps?).

    And I've noticed that while not many season 1 segments are in the It's the Muppets videos, it seems to me like season 5 is underrepresented in the Playhouse videos. Maybe it's just me, but I know some of the videos have only a handful of clips from those seasons (The Muppet Revue only has two, Muppet Moments only has one, Muppet Weird Stuff and I think Rowlf's Rhapsodies only have three, and in both cases two of the three season 5 clips on those videos originated in the same episodes). Yeah, the season 5 closing theme is normally used, and some of them are heavier on season 5 material (The Kermit and Piggy Story, Children's Songs and Stories, Rock Music, and Country Music... Two of which feature multiple backstage plot scenes from season 5 episodes and the other two featuring multiple clips with the same guest stars). Maybe I'm overthinking this... I recently tried to count in my head how many season 5 episodes have scenes that appear in those compilations, and by my count the videos altogether include scenes from 19 out of 24 season 5 episodes, so if the season is underrepresented, it's not too badly udnerrepresented.
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I'd just recently talked about how the It's the Muppets videos hardly had any clips from the first season (though the UK versions have a few more), but then I looked at Muppet Wiki's pages for The Very Best of The Muppet Show, and noticed that season 1 clips, aside from Mahna Mahna, were pretty much non-existient in those releases. I wonder who was in charge of selecting clips for those videos. I wonder if it was people who didn't like the first season or what... The Very Best of the Muppet Show came out around the time Time-Life's "The Best of the Muppet Show" video collection came out, and only a handful of season one episodes were on those (and the "Very Best..." DVDs didn't include any season one episodes as bonuses). Though regarding the Time-Life releases, I wonder if the lack of season one had to do with music clearances being harder to obtain for many of that season's best episodes and they refused to release any episodes they had to cut (after all, season one is the only season on DVD to have edits).

    The first season may not be the best (though it's one of my favorites) but that doesn't mean the first season heavily lacked great material worthy of a "best of" release. The first season has many great sketches I'm sure casual fans would like or be familiar with if they saw them... Muppet Labs: Gorilla Detector, Java, Hugga Wugga, Halfway Down the Stairs, Gonzo eating a tire, "the comedian's a bear!", Tenderly... I wouldn't be surprised if there were certain things they wanted to avoid in the compilations, like Richard Hunt as Miss Piggy (the Temptation number is the only such segment included in any compilation, and the intro for that includes an explanation for her different voice), Eren Ozker as Janice, and maybe John Lovelady as Crazy Harry... The last two aren't in any compilation (and I'm only counting vocal examples).

    Looking at images of the Very Best of the Muppet Show covers, I noticed that most of them list at least one of the featured episodes. Volume 1 lists "the Elton John episode", volume 2 lists "the Roger Moore and Sylvester Stallone episodes"... and then volume 3 lists "includes the Wonder Woman episode". Yeah, it includes the Lynda Carter episode, but she didn't portray Wonder Woman in the episode.

    Also, one of the bonus episodes on volume 2 is, as mentioned, the Sylvester Stallone episode... and yet two of the clips in the main program are from that episode.
  11. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    On the Sylvester Stallone Episode, Kermit said it was OK for those Sly fans to stay by his desk. Didn't Kermit notice when they were gone?

    In IAVMMC, Bitterman came by to collect payment on the theatre, but if they bought it from JP, they wouldn't have to pay anything more, right?

    In TMTM, I noticed that when the Muppets were walking to Pete's in the begining of the movie, there was what looked like a black trash bag on the right corner of the screen.

    When the Swedish Chef made Chocolate cake, you could see a whole in the table, where the cake was, after Chef smooshed it.

    In temptation, you can see Dave Goelz's head.
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  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've noticed that in the Jim Henson Hour pitch tape from 1987, at the beginning the title reads "The Jim Henson Hour", so that means Henson had planned on giving it that title from the beginning (I've also seen some red book entries from 1987 which refer to the show by that title), but I've also seen some print publicity material from closer to the show's debut (can't remember what photos were included, but I know they were stuff that appeared on the show), where it was referred to as The Jim Henson Show. I guess the title was changed but then changed back before airing.

    And in the first episode, when Jim Henson introduced The StoryTeller, he said something to the effect of, "we've combined ancient folktales with today's music video style editing..." Now, I've seen every StoryTeller episode, and I can't see any resemblence to music videos in them. And I've seen many music videos from the 1980s (a good decade for music videos, I might add). The comment about music vidoe style editing seems more appropriate for Song of the Cloud Forrest.
  13. Auberoun

    Auberoun Member

    I think what Jim was talking about was the mix of animation and puppetry and live action, with some cg work, as was the norm in the time of the music videos of that era.

    Having watched most of the Storyteller series, I can definitely see the influence.
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  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I haven't really noticed much animation or CG work on The Storyteller, though.

    Watching The Muppets on DVD, I noticed that when the telethon begins, in the opening shot Zoot does not wear his hat, but when it cuts to Rowlf and Zoot, he's suddenly wearing his hat. And I think that's the only time Zoot wears his hat in the orchestra in the whole movie.
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Noticed that in The Muppets, Kermit wears his black tuxedo quite a bit in the introductions. Sort of like in the first season when he'd often wear his purple tux during guest star introductions and the goodnights, though here he wears it in almost every introduction, going back-and-fourth between wearing a tux and wearing nothing. And ironically, he's one of the few NOT wearing a tuxedo in The Rainbow Connection. In fact, I wonder why they needed so many Muppets to wear tuxes in that number. Seems like the kind of act where the characters could all just wear their usual clothing.

    And Kermit wears his black tux backstage just before the telethon starts, but then is naked during the opening. Did he remember at the last minute that he's not supposed to wear a tux in the opening?

    And it's interesting that some Muppets are wearing coats and winter hats at the end. Isn't this California, where it's always warm?

    I also noticed that this movie features a green whatnot resembling one of the "Whatnot Workshop" puppets. I wonder if this was one of the store-bought ones or if they made a whatnot puppet of that design (perhaps I'm wording it wrong). This whatnot is used for one of the hobos, the farmer from the extended "Forget You!" number, and one of the extra orchestra members.
  16. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    In the Muppets, I just noticed, that when Walter, Gary and Mary left Smalltown in the begining, the sign said, Now leaving Smalltown, we'll miss you!

    But when Gary realized he was a man and not a muppet, and he went back to Smalltown, the sign said, Now Entering Smalltown, Welcome!
  17. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    Something I thought I'd noticed was that, when Walter, Gary and Mary leave, it goes from 102 to 99 - then when Gary goes back it goes from 100 to 101. I leaned to my friend and said "Oh my God someone moved to Smalltown USA!" Then I realized it was just Mary who returned.

    Yours is better.
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  18. ZeppoAndFriends

    ZeppoAndFriends Well-Known Member

    I noticed something re-watching The Muppets the other day. During the above shot of all the Muppets in their hammocks, Scooter's leg twitches right before the framing edges him out.

    It might not be as brilliant a catch as some of these other examples, but it was enough to make me smile. :)
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  19. Alvin

    Alvin Active Member

    What scene is it that pepe can be seen in the seats...somebody said that a while back.....
  20. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I believe Jim was trying to communicate the stylish quality of the Storyteller in terms that executives could understand.

    Music videos are much different now than they were in the 80's. A 10 minute video wasn't uncommon back then. They used to tell simplified stories that set a mood without being burdened with the task of developing entire worlds. They stylishly created the elements that were needed and pieced the tales together in record time. We're used to this style now, but it was akin to blitz/quick-cut editing back in the late 80's. :jim:


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