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Misinforming Superfoods?

Discussion in 'Sesame Appearances' started by Mupp, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. Mupp

    Mupp Member

  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Someone sat on the keyboard. That's how STUPID that article was. It had NO information other than common sense stuff and whining about the big Pharmaceutical companies without ANY actual basis for an argument.

    The worst and DUMBEST part of the whole thing is that these people are too stupid to realize that this is first and foremost a PARODY. The fact they are called superfoods has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with the fake and ridiculous movement of "Superfoods" which is just another faux health movement anyway.

    Make no mistake, I find far left whining JUST as bad as far right whining, and SS has had TOO much bad press from annoying little upstarts for one reason or another.

    Really, you try to get kids away from shoving their faces full of 8 bags of Doritos, and THIS is the thanks they get.. :rolleyes:
  3. Mupp

    Mupp Member

    Yeah, that's kind of how I felt about it.
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    There's nothing wrong with Sesame's program. They can't only list antioxidant foods because it wouldn't show balance. They are missing protein (I wouldn't want to see Gladys in that role) and you know, cheese is not a necessity. Broccoli actually has calcium! But I see nothing wrong with this lineup. It's a general guideline for healthy eating from a time-tested educational source. I can't believe they associate Sesame with Big Pharma! Conservatives continue to cut the budget for public broadcasting and that makes sponsors necessary. I'm not a fan of the pharmaceutical industry, but they are important and they have as much of a right to support non profits like Sesame Street as any other corporation. People like this blogger like to tie innocent-looking things to evil motives in order to gain exposure for their point of view. It's tiresome and dishonest. Sesame does great things and I like this particular program.

    By the way, Doritoes have MSG! No kid should be eating those on a regular basis!
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There are so many specifics I wanted to elaborate on, but just didn't because Community was on...

    There are three things that bugged me about that.

    1) Did any of those yuppie hipsters download that segment on their iPad and actually WATCH it before they criticized it with NO valuable information to back it up? The superfoods are PARODY characters for one thing... and secondly, the segment was about choosing healthy options, trying new foods, not skipping breakfast, and above all, that simple problems can be solved by eating healthier. No one of the Super Food characters said "eat us," but rather made suggestions like eating a wide variety of fruits and veggies, and healthier alternatives. Sure, milk has problems, but given the fact that soda is much, much worse, I'd go with milk.

    2) This... this food elitism has got to stop. I agree with a lot of what's being said about the food industry and how it's generally Wal*Marting our society to get quantity over quality, and how the poor rely on it and the fact that we need to fix it... but what it all comes down to is money. The obesity epidemic is also a poverty epidemic. Plain and simple. People always scream bloody murder about McDonalds, but no one says "BOOO! Banquet frozen dinners!" They carp about Coca-Cola, but never Jolly fun 4 liter sodas for a buck. As someone that had more Hamburger Helper meals than he would have liked, sure I'd love to eat a delicious pro-biotic fed chicken breast in a light vinaigrette with freshly prepared vegetables, but I can't afford it. There are millions of people in our own country who can barely even put garbage on their tables, and millions more around the world that would pray to even get a taste of the garbage we eat, vs the animal feces and saw dust they have to choke down to end the growling hunger pains. The attitude that I get from that blog is "We're so much better than you because we make more money and eat foods that you SHOULD eat they only save for the upper class." and then they have the nerve to wag their fingers telling us to eat that stuff. If they REALLY cared, they'd donate half the money they use to buy local organic heirloom foods to causes devoted to giving mommy and daddy a living wage, putting edible food on peoples tables, getting good food in school cafeterias.... but they seem to only be good at taking fast food toys away from kids, and vilifying parents that bring... GASP cupcakes to their kid's parties.

    3) Yeah... kids LOVE goat milk. Tell you what, when you have kids, feed them goat milk. And if they don't puke it all back up, then you can tell me what to eat. Seriously. Kids ARE kids. They like pizza and burgers and chicken tenders and all that stuff. Kids do not like having the diet of a diabetic, painfully constipated 50 year old with an ulcer... heck, 50 year olds with an ulcer don't like eating the stuff they have to eat. It's all about MODERATION. Remember how much the fan base carried on with the song "A Cookie is a Sometimes Food?" I think that was absolutely brilliant and a strong message to kids.

    4) I am SOOOO glad you mentioned the sponsorship. PBS is bleeding, and they're taking it out mostly on their kids programming. Back when evil McDonalds (again, the ONLY villain here:rolleyes: ) was a sponsor and there was outrage, did ANY of those people phone in large amounts of pledge money to PBS to STOP the corporate sponsorship from being the only means of support? NO! They spent a fortune complaining, putting PTA meetings together... all this other crap. Listen, if you people REALLY gave a crap about how kids watch commercial television, you'd donate to PBS. Not use the same amount of money on lobbyists and annoying pressure groups. Stop taking away to fix the problem. Adding is the only solution.

    5) I see no difference between this garbage as I do with the "Sesame Street is a smut peddler" from the Katy Perry fiasco or "Sesame Street is an evil left wing brainwashing conspiracy" fiasco for them daring to use their right to free speech to openly mock the only ones that think that applies to. SW has to start IGNORING these web comments, blogs, and loud mouths and do the show THEY want to do. SNL does NOT back down from mocking Fox news. Letting people censor you IS a violation of free speech. Especially when you use that pulpit for all the respectful work SS does.

    And why do we even STILL have MSG? We got rid of transfats, and they are trying to vilify corn sweetners... why the heck is no one getting on about MSG? It's very dangerous to certain people.
  6. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    This may sound controversial and a bit off-topic, but MSG isn't really as evil as people make it out to be. It's just dihydrogen monoxide, sodium, and glutamate (the former and latter of which are found in nature and in many foods). Japanese people eat about 3 times as many of it as we do, yet have the longest lifespan in the world. Plus, MSG has about 1/3 the sodium of sodium chloride, which is ideal for certain people on low-sodium diets.

    http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2007/03/science-is-so-inconvenient-to-food.html

    Well, there was that time where SS was sponsored by the letter Z... and Zithromax. :rolleyes:
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There are some people with severe reactions to it, though. Make no mistake. But it still isn't really the greatest thing out there either. Though a lot of the OTHER stuff in Doritos is pretty bad too.
  8. StreetScenes

    StreetScenes Member

    wow. that's scary. i find that most people who are health food extremists like that and preach about it aren't in it for the health at all. their real interests are usually moral (becoming vegetarian for animal rights) or political (eating locally grown produce to defeat capitalism), and once they adopt that cultural identity, they start talking about health, half trying to justify their choices and half because they want to believe everything their peers and the targeted advertisements say. the one person i know who actually eats like that for the sake of being healthy doesn't preach at his friends or talk down to them for eating the occasional barbecued pork sandwich.

    take my friend, who's always telling us he eats healthier than we do because he's a vegetarian. after ranting about corn syrup, he criticized us for buying a loaf of white bread and refused to allow us to "torture chickens" by buying regular eggs rather than the organic local farm fresh ones (which were more than 5 times the price). did he want to eat my barley and bell peppers, or my bok choy, tomato & caper salad? no. but he downed an entire bag of cookies in 24 hours. and what was in the cookies, pray tell? white flour, regular eggs, and high fructose corn syrup. and i'm the unhealthy one because i put butter on my roast beef sandwich.

    the thing i think sesame street is doing really well is to remind parents that eating healthy doesn't have to be so extreme. not all healthy foods are expensive or obscure or yucky--just use some common sense & encourage a simple but diverse diet. cheese is okay--it's got calcium and it makes broccoli taste good! and it's better to eat broccoli with cheese than to make kids hate vegetables because you only do them raw or boiled plain, and not get enough calcium because you cut out their dairy intake. plus, then, as soon as they go to a birthday party, they eat pizza and cake until they puke because they can't get it at home. (& we don't grow out of it. at the office christmas luncheon this week, the grownups who gorged on desserts were the ones whose wives make them eat the most salads at home. seriously.)

    because the other thing the preachy health food extremists have in common is that they don't enjoy food. (they never did, or they wouldn't have completely stopped eating whole categories of tasty foods by choice). when you enjoy cooking and eating lots of different things, some of them are bound to be healthy. then eating healthy most of the time isn't a chore or a punishment but a pleasure, and you can still eat sometime foods sometimes! the're not never foods, for crying out loud.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I would like to quote you verbatim, but that's redundant. It really is one of those annoying little things that people hold over everyone else's heads. They watch 10 minutes of their bluray edition of Food Inc and think they're experts. Yet, their idea of "helping" is more or less finger wagging. It really smacks of elitism too. A selfish spoiled brat mentality... sort of like when they were younger they held it over your heads that they had every Transformer, and your parents refused to buy you the cheapest one... or they got EVERY game system that ever came out WHEN they came out, and when you finally got one, they'd mock you... "Oh, you only got a Nintendo, ya baby?"

    There is an air of that there too.

    I have to say, there IS a point somewhere in there, deep deep down... but I've heard too many horror stories of people who can't even get to a mainstream non-organic grocery store and have to buy everything at convenience stores and gas stations. And often times, the people with the least amount of income go after quantity. If anyone really cared, they'd organize some sort of help for them.

    Not that there aren't... there have been strides in trying to get better food in school cafeterias and starting up community gardens. We need more people fighting FOR that and less people fighting AGAINST kid's programming, Happy meal Toys, and classroom birthday parties.
  10. bingboingcutie

    bingboingcutie Active Member

    Yes! I agree; I'm looking forward to those Muppet Happy Meals once the new movie rolls around. Hey, they did it with all the other non Muppet productions

    Whoopie! Did I just make a 100th post? I did! Right? Yes i Did!
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I have a STRONG feeling we're NOT going to see that. Disney slashed off any ties to that, save for a Marvel Super Hero prize sometime last year.
  12. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Tell me about the food snobbery. Just recently came across a commercial about cheese featuring a young Elijah Wood. Aside from the comments on how cute little Frodo is, some of the comments (from non-Americans) about the cheese being put on broccoli got to me with their pretentiousness, so I responded.

    Seriously, is it really such a crime to put something like cheese on vegetables? It's better for kids to eat them like this than to not eat them at all, or forcing them to eat them plain and turn them off veggies for the rest of their life. That's just fine and dandy if people in your countries can eat them without it, but you don't have to be so smug about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOqWKm7Cmg
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It depends.

    If they're Europeans, then well... Europeans mock us and those long, rectangular blocks of overprocessed dairy fat we call "Cheezzeee". They even laugh about how we keep it in the refrigerator...

    As for vegetables, well.. cooking them to begin with takes away a good amount of their nutritional value. To really get the nutritional effects of broccoli, you kinda need to eat it raw. It's not something most people find pleasant, especially kids. Me? I could eat the stuff raw if it's cut up into small enough pieces. I like most vegetables myself... just have a hard time accessing it. But "cheezze" on overcooked Broccoli is STILL eating veggies in my book.
  14. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    What? They're upset about this, but not about Yo Gabba Gabba having characters swallow food whole?! That's ridiculous.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    More like they're upset about this, but not Cookie Monster eating a truck...
  16. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Oh yes now I remember him doing that in Follow That Bird, but children know they can't eat cars or trucks. It's supposed to be funny.
  17. bingboingcutie

    bingboingcutie Active Member

    Children also had to have the disclaimer that you don't stand up in or jump from moving cars when that stunt was pulled off in the movie.

    "Gordon, you know you shouldn't jump from a moving car! Why, I shouldn't even be standing up."

    "You have my permission. Just this once. Now COME ON!"
  18. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yes, but that's because while children have more sense than that, they'd be much more likely to try that than to eat a car. Cookie Monster's consumption of the car wasn't the first time he ate something he shouldn't have. (the first I know of since it came out before I was born was Christmas Eve On Sesame Street when he eats the phone) It also wasn't the last time (eating the actual lettres of the day). Children are smarter than you think, and don't do something just because a cartoon or Muppet does. Jim understood that, but why can't people get it today?
  19. bingboingcutie

    bingboingcutie Active Member

    :) Exactly! Children needed that disclaimer for the jumping out of the moving vehicle thing, but in other areas they're smarter than adults realize.
  20. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I'm glad we agree bingboingcutie, I mean Sesame Street isn't afraid to give their characters small faults and do things kids aren't supposed to do. Sesame Street and Fraggle Rock portray child-like characters the way they should be, innocent at heart but still show that no one's perfect. Nick Jr shows always make one or two characters they err, but have the other main characters do nothing but criticize their friend's faults. It gets really annoying. That's why Fraggle Rock is my favorite kid show, and Sesame Street is up there with some of my other favorites.


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