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Moderation Proposition

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by miss kermie, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Do you think anything will come of this? All I want is for Muppet Central to grow, and I think any step forward would be one in the right direction.
     
  2. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    May I have a request for comment from Philip?
     
  3. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    Yes, agreed. He response matters most.
     
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  4. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Here's the way I see it. Right now, the forum is the only part of the website that is thriving. For everything else we have muppet wiki.

    Because of that, more attention should be given to the forum. Ed can't do everything by himself. I'm sure all the staff are busy people with their own lives. Which is why we need at least one or even two more mods with the ability to lock threads that are starting to get heated with argument and to ban people for a set amount of time who cause trouble.
     
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  5. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Yeah, MC's forum continues to flourish based on our large, dedicated community here, though from time to time, we need a large base of mods to make sure that the community stays in check. Administration and community needs to grow together, and with the large community here, we also need a staff that is able to give substantial attention to the forum.
     
  6. Yuna Leonhart

    Yuna Leonhart Well-Known Member

    That's true. Just one admin and just one active mod isn't enough for such a large community. It would be enough for a small community but here? A few more would be better. We can't expect Ed to take care of everything alone.
     
  7. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    And even if adding a mod would be a longer process, some increase of Ed's abilities would work for the time being. If Ed had more tools to field spammers and members in general, our large community would stay together even more. There have been many complaints over the years about the community quality of MC's diminishing, and I think that a stronger administration force might help to keep the forum a better place and wipe out some of those concerns.
     
  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I agree, but at the same time I think that MC as a whole could grow in to so much more.
    As for the forum it's self I would love to see a new addition to the staff, or if they did not want to do that they could just delegate certain jobs to each mod. That way it dose not have to be all on one person.

    BTW whatever happed to muppetquilter? She was a mod as well, and I have not seen/talked to her in a long time.
     
  9. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    But that's the problem. There is only one active mod right now.

    The main site can wait. I hate to say it, but I think you are the only person here who wants the site to change. People have suggested it in the past, and have always been met with much opposition. People do not like change. Heck, there was a huge protest about the new forums. Changing the site will just make people mad. Besides, the Muppet Wiki has made the site kinda moot.

    And this is why extra attention needs to be taken on the forums. This is really the only forum for muppet fans, not including Tough Pigs which is more of an adult forum. More mods can certainly help with the overall positive feel of the community.
     
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  10. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    It's sad but you more then right about that. I do understand what your saying about people hating change, I've seen it on here several times.
    I guess my thing is I have almost grown accustom to not having, a lot of moderator "support" (I don't know if that is the right word to use)
    I know that in the past there have been things I have done that I wanted to add to the site, for whatever reason it never got added. So I took matters in to my own hands and posted it on the forums, and the outcome was great.
    This is the second time that I hear about a positive feel to the forum, or the lack there of. Either I'm not seeing the negative flow or it is being hidden in threads that I don't view. So if someone could give me an example then maybe I could understand that more.
    Also I have been following this thread somewhat but, I'm still kind of confused What do you want the mods (new and old) to do? Yes I understand that spamers on here are bad, and should not be on here, but what else is there?
    This is the only forum I'm a member of, so I don't really know how involved other mods for other sites are, and I don't know what they do or don't do. So if you could explain it to me I want to understand.
     
  11. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    Are you trying to become a mod?
     
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  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I don't really know, to be quite honest. In the past I had made a request to Phill to see what it would take to become a mod, but nothing came of it. Then another member (I can't recall who) told me that I didn't know what I was doing, and that becoming a mod would make me less popular here on the forums. So I have kept quite about it ever since.
    I have however tried to do my best to show the forum as much support as I could. Over the past three years the forums have had some "difficult" topics, and things come up, and I have tried to turn them around in a positive. Now sometimes that hasn't worked, and sometimes I have said things that where a mistake, but then if my mistakes where pointed out to me I would try (key word try) to make it right.
    As for me becoming a mod now, if they asked I would jump in 110% doing everything within my powers to help the forums grow and stay positive. however, I'm not going to start a "campaign" to become a mod. Mostly because I don't know how it would be received by both parties.

    I hope that answers your question....
     
  13. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    I'm just asking that because what you posted so far seems to hint that you want to become a mod.
     
  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well if that's how it's sounding then I'm sorry, I just want whats best for the forums. It's really not up to me whether I become a mod or not. it would be up to the other mods, and members. Honestly I don't think that or anything like a new mod will happen. No matter how bad we may all want it.
     
  15. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    We're talking about the negative flow as something that only some users see. Some users think that MC is declining, others do not. When I mentioned that, I basically meant that maybe a stronger presence of an administration team to help out might help to get rid of any growing concerns that some member has.

    As for purpose, we're not so much looking for more activities for mods to do, but rather the enabling of people who have some more time to focus on the site. Phillip, Cindy and Kevin have busy lives and can't focus all of their attention on the forum, and we have no problem with that. However, we have Ed doing so much extra stuff, and adding a mod or two might help to take some work off of Ed's load.

    And then also, even if getting a mod right now isn't doable, we'd like to see Ed be able to have some more tools to take care of issues, such as deleting bad members when they have already joined past the due date, banning members who need to cool down, locking threads, etc.

    If we could either have more mods or increased tools for them, then the forum might flow a little smoother and be an even better place than it is now. MC is a growing community, and the administration team needs to grow with it.
     
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  16. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    To answer a few questions/comments...

    1 MuppetQuilter asked to be removed as a member of the forum staff in light of her busy home life. That request was honored, though she may still pop in occasionally as a regular member of the forums.
    2 Yes, I agree with returning powers to all staff members to lock threads and merge threads and ban members after the "Spam Cleaner" link has long disappeared from their profile page.
    3 Rather than new moderators, I think we should implement the "Right Hand" moderators' assistants program. Or have a veteran moderator the rest of us can turn to and have them step in should their help be needed to resolve certain outstanding reported issues.
    No, I can't do everything on my own... And there are just some things that even I myself don't know how to handle, especially if I was the one who reported an issue.
    4 As to becoming a moderator, I don't exactly know how it happens for other people. However, I'll just refer to a quote from Ken Lily when working on the Muppets figure line, which comes from a song: "You can't please all the people all of the time, so just do the best job you can."
    At times it may seem like a popularity contest... And there are times you'll get an angry response stemming from the job done as a moderator, but that's why the staff named and conferred said powers upon you, to get the job done. You may make mistakes along the way as I myself have, but that's part of the learning process in becoming a better mod/staffer. And if you do it long enough and well/consistently enough, the recognition will come.
     
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  17. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Hey Ed, could you explain the "right hand mod assistant program" a bit better? I don't think some of us are entirely sure what that is exactly.
     
  18. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, you'd have to ask Kevin (Fozzie Bear) as he's the one who initially came up with the concept. I kind of think it would mean giving certain members of trust mod-like abilities of new member registration, access to reported posts, and seeing a member's profile and posts; and then passing on any info about those people's activities to a mod should one need to get involved.
    Hope that helps a little.
     
  19. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I'm still confused about this. So these members have the power to delete spam members or just report it to someone higher up? Cause to be honest, that seems like it defeats the purpose of this if it's still you doing all the work and members still can't do anything
     
  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    To me it sounds like it is a new members committee type of a thing. Where some of the older members would be able to help the newer members with there posts, and block spamers as well. at least to me that's what it sounds like. but again it dose sound like all that you would be able to do is report any wrong doing that you may see. Which in a way we already have a thread that dose that very thing.
     


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