Muppet Babies Questions

[Beauregard]

I think of them as stories.

But as for their being for little children, how come they are rated PGs and the Muppets are rated U???

In England that is.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Re: Umm...Muppets, Remember?

Originally posted by Cantus Rock
you also have to realize that Muppet Babies go beyond the Muppets and true blue Muppet fans. The Muppet Babies, whether they were just supposed to be a fantasy or not, became a childrens show that influenced generations.-Matt

The thing that really stunk about the Muppet Babies is that a whole generation was raised on those and had no idea that there was a "real" kermit, piggy, et al, and when my own family members came down to visit it was me who had to convince them that the Muppets were the real deal, and not taken after the cartoon!

Just like training someone that Raphael, Michaelangelo, Donatello, and Leonardo were not turtles, you know?

Good point, tho...something I never thought of doing is taking it as a continuation of Piggy's fantasies.

But then, there's that VILE footage they showed in Muppet Family Christmas!!!

NO!! I can't accept them!! AAAUUUUUUGH!!

Oh, oh...i need an aspirin...

FZ

 

[Baby Rowlf]

Aw, come on, the Muppet Babies were cute! You can't possibly deny Baby Rowlf the cute factor anyway. I think he was a hit in the MTM sequence!

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Hiya,

Yeah, they were cute. I liked them in TMTM. The rest of the MB stuff throws the whole possibility of Muppet Story Chronology out of whack. They just don't fit in because they were part of Piggy's fantasy of her and Kermit meeting as Babies.

I have tried to place them into the story somehow, but I can't do it so I feel good with it.

Oh, and I 'did' meet the guy who did the voice of Baby Fozzie in the cartoon at MuppetFest, so THAT was kewl!

And, still, nobody gave me my aspirin.

 

[BlueFrackle]

Tooth,

Dr. Teeth was in an episode of Muppet Babies !

It is the actual Puppet and performed by Jim Henson, The scenes were made specially for Muppet Babies too !

He appears in 'Muppets Not Included' and is just the Puppet with a black background.
Its the Dr. Teeth Puppet used in Muppets Take Manhattan.

He says -

"Yeah, Man that sounds good!"

"Right on, Hehe"

"Keep Practising"

Its great to see !

And there is also another Episode called '50 Flags Around The Nursery' where an animated version of 'Pigs In Space' was shown and a 'Kermit Private Eye' cartoon too.

They were both from Little Muppet Monsters saturday morning line up called Muppets, Babies and Monsters.

See ya

 

[beaker]

Re: Re: Umm...Muppets, Remember?

Originally posted by Fozzie Bear
The thing that really stunk about the Muppet Babies is that a whole generation was raised on those and had no idea that there was a "real" kermit, piggy, et al, and when my own family members came down to visit it was me who had to convince them that the Muppets were the real deal, and not taken after the cartoon!

I never could get into them, they were part of Piggy's imagination in TMTM, and do NOT fit into the chronology of The Muppets at all!! There is no way I can accept them.

Well I hate to vehemently disagree with ya Kev, as ya know you rock in my books(so does Muley^_^) but...

I consdier Muppet Babies the single greatest cartoon that I was raised on. Yes; I loved Transformers, TMNT, and other cartoons endlessly...but it was Muppet Babies that really honed in and celebrated using your imagination and creativity. I wish I had some of those episodes on tape, as theres some really astonishingly cool episodes. By the late 80's I got out of it(ie: when the animation changed, and Bean Bunny and Janice were added)

Second, it would be hard to think there is actually a large number of people from our generation who only knew the Muppets from Muppet Babies. I mean I was raised on original syndication TMS, Sesame, movies, specials, and even FR(well, the cartoon) Not to mention I had already been into classic Muppets before the show aired. (Im not old! Im 24 going on 11, hehe)

Lastly, the Muppet Babies in no way shape or form is part of Muppet canon. Muppet Babies is about as much a part of the Muppet universe as Farscape and Dark Crystal. There is no messing up the chronology or revisionist history as the Muppet Babies is its own self contained thing. I mean I dont think star Trek TNG was on in the 50's when Kermit was growing up^_^
(Then again, the kids in KSY wear modern backpacks...oh well)

 

[Fozzie Bear]

No doubt MB was a great cartoon, but the major consensus of 'fans' during that time thought THOSE were THE Muppets. And as a story teller I can't consider it stand-alone since it uses the same names as their adult counterparts and was always part of Piggy's fantasy--UNTIL Muppet Family Christmas when Scooter showed the reel of them as Muppet Babies, a time which they were attempting to throw the characters into the chronology of the Muppet Story and it threw everything out of whack then. Had they just NOT done that with the Muppet Babies in MFC, THEN I could have better accepted the MB cartoon as a continuation of Piggy's fantasy from TMTM.

Like I said, a great cartoon--just throws things out of whack is all.

This is the reason that Muley's history book (not cartoon form, but novel form) begins at his birth. I'm VERY much into continuity
and try hard hard HARD to keep that in my own stuff.

But it's only my opinion.

 

[Drtooth]

Re: Tooth,

Originally posted by *Warrick*

And there is also another Episode called '50 Flags Around The Nursery' where an animated version of 'Pigs In Space' was shown and a 'Kermit Private Eye' cartoon too.

Yeah! i have that video. When I first saw it, I knew it had to be FROM something. The Animation and Music was different, and I was SOOOO confused. Luckily, someone pointed that out on another board a while back (Before I came to Muppet Central).

I get what beaker's sayin'. In fact, for a while, every Saturday morning, before the network line up, I used to watch the syndicated reruns of TMS, then Muppet Babies, then Fraggle Rock TAS. Quite a Henson treat, if you think about it.

But I also feel for what Fozzie is saying. It's very weird and it is so against continuation. Of course, so isn't the movie, when Scooter was the EM band manager. (Perhaps, his Uncle owned the band too..) Of course, the film also said they got their break in Hollywood, which we know, Kermit got hios start in D.C., then got national attention in New York, and TMS was filmed in London....

To tell you the truth, I gave up following continuity after watching the Simpsons. I mean, they got married in a church, a hospital room, AND a casino? Pick one, and stick to it... Forget it...

 

[beaker]

Originally posted by Fozzie Bear
No doubt MB was a great cartoon, but the major consensus of 'fans' during that time thought THOSE were THE Muppets. And as a story teller I can't consider it stand-alone since it uses the same names as their adult counterparts and was always part of Piggy's fantasy--UNTIL Muppet Family Christmas when Scooter showed the reel of them as Muppet Babies, a time which they were attempting to throw the characters into the chronology of the Muppet Story and it threw everything out of whack then. Had they just NOT done that with the Muppet Babies in MFC, THEN I could have better accepted the MB cartoon as a continuation of Piggy's fantasy from TMTM.

you do bring up an interesting point about MFC. I think it is one of the best JHC productions ever, and my fave Muppet thing next to MTM, JHH and M@WDW. I think this is one of the coolest examples of how fun it is to see all three franchises together under one big cozy roof so to speak(tho they did it sort of in MTM)

Now then, I think what you are referring to is live action puppet Muppet Babies, as also seen in MTM and the pages of Muppet Magazine. I firmly believe Muppet Babies is its own universe/canon. What you see in MTM is Piggy's imagination.
Now...convenently the scene you speak of in MFC has been edited out in my version on dvd. But yes, youre right...it is weird showing home movies when they never met before.
I dont think TMM is a true backstory to the Muppets. Neither is KSY in my opinion. I dont think though, any continuity is messed up by MB, for the simple fact that with the exception of the Scooter playing the home movies scene...it is never mentioned anywhere that was their past.

Ive seen other continuity impossibilities in other media. I mean in the Seinfeld world, Paul from Mad About You originally subletted
Kramer's apartment...but then there is an episode where George and his fiance are watching Mad About You.
Also, The Simpsons is the same universe as Futurama, just different times. Kudos and Kang make that bridge possible. But in an episode of Futurama they find a mountain of Simpsons merchandise. So my point is...ack, I forget. ^_^

 

[Drtooth]

Originally posted by beaker


Ive seen other continuity impossibilities in other media. I mean in the Seinfeld world, Paul from Mad About You originally subletted
Kramer's apartment...but then there is an episode where George and his fiance are watching Mad About You.

And there was an episode where Paul met Jerry Seinfeld in person on the street!

But then again, Janice was on the show, older than the rest of thecharacters, and Statler and Waldorf LOVED the kids, so something is going on there!