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Muppets Most Wanted Box Office Numbers

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by goldenstate5, Mar 22, 2014.

  1. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I refuse to panic, for a couple of reasons:

    (1) Quite simply, this is an excellent movie. I'll say more in the review I plan to post when I have more time, but it's a significant upgrade on TM2011 in many respects - smart, funny, well-paced, fabulous music, terrific visuals, expertly-produced and edited, engaging story and tons of great surprises. I expect the MMW word-of-mouth to create some post-Divergent buzz (especially with no significant competition arriving in theatres for the next couple of weeks).

    (2) I saw it in a theatre Saturday afternoon with about 30-35 other people (although I admit that Mrs. Otter and I were responsible for bringing 15 of those people along, via a church-youth-group road trip) and the grand majority of us - adults, kids, everyone in between - had a blast. On the bus ride home, a 30-something friend of mine who had never seen a Muppet movie said he was impressed that he didn't have to be a huge Muppet fan to enjoy it - which might say more about this movie's success as a film than any review or box-office numbers.

    (3) It finished second. SECOND. Not eighth. Not tenth. SECOND. Disney can justifiably roll out the "#1 comedy in America" or "#1 family movie in America" ads as it did with the last movie. Every little bit will help here.

    (4) We're grumbling about people going to see Mr. Peabody and Sherman (ironically, another Ty Burrell movie) but consider this: That film debuted at #2 and overtook the 300 sequel for #1 a week later. You can't convince me that MMW isn't a good enough movie to do that to Divergent, or at least come a closer second, especially considering the lousy reviews Divergent has been getting.

    Keep the faith, folks. This is not John Carter or The Lone Ranger. This is an excellent, high-quality movie that proves the Muppets deserve to continue appearing in new productions. If it finishes at $50-$60 million, which it should, it will still be one of the highest-grossing movies in franchise history.

    Just remember Bobo in Muppets From Space: "Baby steps...baby steps..." ;)
  2. King Rupert

    King Rupert Well-Known Member

    I saw it Sunday and we were 3 of 9 people in the theater. :grr:
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  3. ConstantineFan

    ConstantineFan Active Member

    This movie will be saved as soon as all of the Loki( Tom Hiddleston) and Ross Lynch fangirls find out that they are cameoing in Muppets Most Wanted.
    Muppet Master and Muppet fan 123 like this.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm not so much panicking as much as throwing in the towel on this one. Unless there's a HUGE weekday miracle or there was an uptick in Sunday that wasn't reported (I absolutely hate how they call the weekend Box office Sunday morning There's still a WHOLE day to go). There is NO REASON this movie should have had that poor a reception. The characters were splashed everywhere. Disney promoted the heck out of it.

    And quality isn't a equation for success in a film. Poorly made films can make money, great films can also bomb and if they're lucky become cult like 10+ years later.

    I honestly hope that counts for something. While Divergent is an overrated fan fic with a flat female protagonist and a generic as crap story of her being the Mary Sue Chosen One, it's audience is tweenage girls absolutely gushing that we have female protagonists that, frankly suck so bad, would be called horrid, vapid, sexist stereotypes if a guy wrote it. The real draw was families, and they just didn't care to see movies this weekend, especially MWW. I don't see why they couldn't have been as invigorated as those tween girls were for their crappy film.

    I mentioned that somewhere, yes. The film opened at number 2, but only got in number one (with weak numbers) the second week because of the huge drop off 300 had.

    Now, I'll give you this. This movie was a better investment than Lone Ranger or John Carter. It had a low enough budget that if they lose money on this, it's not too bad. It would make sense to make another Muppet film instead of Lone Ranger (which flopped because it ticked too many people off... thanks for saying you were part Native American, Johnny Depp... why that was more offensive than all of Movie 43 and In APP Propriate Comedy is a mystery to me)... but it really should have opened at least 10-15 Million stronger. Unless March is dying out as a film release month (can you blame it? Like 10 movies came out in a 3 week period... way to make your films bomb, Hollywood). Yeah, I am cautiously optimistic there's some sort of miracle and that 2nd place on a weak weekend counts (at least it made more than Need[less] for Speed)... and that Disney will be VERY generous that Frozen was a Juggernaut that they'll count the DVD sales of MMW (Muppet movies do make their money on home video). And maybe, by terms of risk vs. reward that it will be considered successful enough.

    But overall, I am very very annoyed, depressed, and hurt that while The Muppets was a big, great sign of promise that opened up the dormant hearts of the general public, the better put together movie that didn't need to play a nostalgia factor sends the Muppet fandom back underground. At best we'd get maybe some more appearances, maybe another go at a movie. At worst, this will be a forum of 3 people talking about how great that John Cleese episode was, and wondering why there are only 3 members active talking about how great the John Cleese episode was.
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  5. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    If I'm right didn't TM finish second it's opening weekend as well? I think it was beat out by Twilight or something?
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But it made back most of it's budget to be a modest success, opening at 45 mil and closing at 88 mil in the US.

    Of course, the real difference is it was during a Holiday weekend that started on Wednesday, so it was able to get 2 more days worth of Weekend count, and availability.

    Of course, it fell off huge after the second week, with every single movie with it. It had a strong opening in a weak period. If we're really lucky things will perk up next weekend, and maybe through the week.
  7. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Actually, it opened to $29 million, according to Box Office Mojo. Plus, it was the holiday weekend, which is a really busy time at the movies anyway. Who goes to movies on an average day in March? I know I don't, and most people I know don't even have time to go to one, and most parents aren't taking their families to movies during the spring, at least not the many people I know.

    Of course tweens can go to movies by themselves, and the stupid tween-flick drew them all in this weekend. That's where the problem went. There's plenty of tweens who would've ended up at Muppets Most Wanted (and trust me, there's a lot of tween girl fans of Animal for some reason) but of course, Divergent pulled those people in. I'm hoping they'll end up seeing the World's Most Dangerous Frog on the big screen next weekend.
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  8. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Awesome not that bad!
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Cough cough. Made more than the 2 DW films that came after it in a short time. A sequel and TV series was announced the second it hit the weekend BO.

    If this did manage to at least get to 20 Mil opening, would that count for something? It was reported at 16 mil by noon Yesterday. If nothing else, it should be at least 16,000,010 by now with my ticket at 5:15 last night.
  10. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    According to Muppet wiki it finished second with 16 million.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Again, that's what was reported Sunday Morning.

    See? This is WHY I hate these Box Office reports. If you see the movie Sunday, it doesn't count for some reason.
  12. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    That's the dumbest thing ever. I can bet you more money is made on Sundays than on Fridays. Everyone is at work on Fridays! Who even goes to movies on a Friday?

    Anyway, Disney film distributor David Hollis said a good opening for the movie would've been $20 million, and as of Sunday morning, it had $16 million, ONLY $4 million short of that amount. It's not a "flop"!

    Plus, the audience has spoken! Most of Divergent's audience HATED the movie, and hopefully they'll make a turn around and see MMW next week. Also, spring break is coming up, and that'll bring in a lot of money.
  13. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    If I can I'm gonna help the cause and try to see it again (again ) this weekend.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I just don't know why Sunday's don't count. There's some real bullcrap to that. Call the freaking gross on a freaking Monday morning. I'm sure that it at least was closer to 20 million on the full Sunday. I swear I remember hearing of a movie that opened third counting only Friday and Saturday, but managed to open at first when the Sunday was included. If Disney can at least call it a modest success worthy to keep the franchise going and maybe make a third film... that's good. If the missing 4 mil that they didn't report causes the franchise to be considered a failure, well.. I wouldn't be surprised. That's how it works. But Croods made a huge amount of money on its opening weekend last year (same weekend too). Maybe no one's going to the movies this March. But there's no reason it shouldn't have been 25-30 mil this weekend.
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  15. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    I am going to see that movie again this Saturday. No excuses for moi (me). I cannot hold my grudge any longer to wait and wait until it comes to a dollar movie theater.
  16. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Unlike 2011 TM, I actually want to see this one multiple times. I'm really hoping you guys are right, and positive word of mouth gives it a strong second week. 16 million? Thats probably less than the amount spent on advertising.

    I'm siding with the theory of psychological reasons why Americans aren't flocking to it. I mean it made me laugh, and it's hard for entertainment to make me laugh.
  17. King Rupert

    King Rupert Well-Known Member

    I honestly think Frozen sucked families dry. And people are taking break from the theater.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd also tend to think Lego sucked them out dry as well (as it should). It really seems March hasn't been that big for openings. But then you look at 300, Need for Speed... those things are losing money faster for being higher budget.

    The bright spot is, it managed to open at second in a weak month in a very week weekend with 2 family films else out there. There is the faint glimmer of hope that there will be a stronger next weekend and maybe some middle of the day Spring Break traffic. But this film needs to make it's budget back and soon. I think it could if we're lucky and we count the long run. But seriously... this really should have done better than the last one at least.
  19. King Rupert

    King Rupert Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone was expecting it to put up 40M, even disney, they didn't market this film nearly as much. Good point on Lego, totally forgot about that.
  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Wow, such mixed reviews online from audiences. People either loved it or hated it. Hard to tell what I'm going to think when I (hopefully) see it this weekend.

    Honestly, I wasn't so in love with The Muppets (2011) that I would be devastated if MMW went in a completely different direction, lol. Especially when so many people seem to be upset with MMW just because Segal's not there. To me that indicates that Muppets (2011)'s success wasn't entirely due to the Muppets at all. It simply resembled the current trend of glossy, peppy family movies close enough that critics and general audiences could feel comfortable with it. It didn't particularly challenge their tastes. Perhaps MMW does in some way.

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