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Muppets Most Wanted Box Office Numbers

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by goldenstate5, Mar 22, 2014.

  1. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Yeah well I should know better then to argue with people on YouTube. :p If you think about it even back to the Jim Henson days the Muppets always kinda struggled.
  2. muppet boy

    muppet boy Active Member

    true. but there has been good times and bad. for instance, imo. anything from MFS to LTS was bad. the 2011 movie turned around and this one I feel hit a similar key.
  3. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    I think The Muppets' next step will have to be television. Oscarfan said "movies aren't out for one week" but they do get pulled if they don't put arses in chairs. The fact is, The Muppets are unlikely to see a second revival on the screen if Disney decides not to do a third movie, at least not for a few decades.
  4. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I never said there weren't good times I said even when Jim was alive the muppets still struggled.
  5. King Rupert

    King Rupert Well-Known Member

    Interesting that it was playing in less theaters. I know where I live it was only showing in the smaller older theaters. Not in the big mall cineplex. I assume it was because Frozen was still there.

    Also I am not convinced this movie cost 50 million to make. Not unless Burrell, Fey and Gervais got paid 20M.
  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I said this elsewhere but I never really thought movies were the key to bringing the Muppets back to the mainstream. The Muppets first home has always been Television. People went to see the original Muppet films because they enjoyed Muppet Show every week. Kids today don't have that kind of foundation.

    Look at a franchise like Looney Toones. Trying to update the original characters with Space Jam didn't get them very far. But a lot of kids fondly remember growing up with reruns of the original Looney Tunes. The Muppets did themselves no favors whenever they distanced themselves from their past too much. The best thing that happened in the '90s was Nickelodeon rerunning Muppet Show. So many people I know remember that.

    Plus Looney Tunes also realized the value in creating new characters that had the spirit of the old (Tiny Toons and Animaniacs), rather than constantly trying to awkwardly reinvent the originals.
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  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You have a point, but...

    While there could have been an opportunity to make a larger chunk of money on opening weekend, and while there can be a chance of word of mouth perking this film up in weeks to come... well, it managed to miss a measly 3 million of it's already low second estimate and was considered a flop on site even though it did come in second, had a low budget anyway, and has a strong kid's movie competition with Peabody and Sherman (which at least makes me happy as a Jay Ward fan). And hopefully, those will be taken into account, and things will look up. And like I said, hopefully some decent weekday traffic will jump those numbers up to at least half the budget by next weekend.

    It will make some more money by the time the film is out of theaters and all, but something tells me it will either almost or barely make back its budget over here.

    All we can hope is the international does much better and this blows up on DVD to keep the franchise going.

    And yes... the theater count has nothing to do with it. Lego managed 70 million with not too many theaters having it (apparently).

    The fact it opened at number 2 should count for something. The higher budget films fell sharply as well. It's just... it's 3 million off of being considered successful enough. The so close-ness of the whole thing is what really has me upset about this.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I hate double posting, but...

    I'd agree with you if there wasn't a movie 3 years before hand. Remember what kid movie competition this film had. Peabody and Sherman: An even less accessible cartoon series that's over 60 years old, and a backup segment. And it had 3 high level flops with the franchise related to it 15 years before. It had significantly less marketing, absolutely no merchandise, retro or otherwise... the show hasn't even been rerun since the 90's. And it managed to have a stronger 40 million opening and continued second. It's made over 80 million in the US supposedly.
  9. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I am somewhat surprised that nobody has yet mentioned this rather encouraging Forbes article about the value of "small franchises" to giant corporations like Disney:


    Thank you, Ms. Pomerantz. I hope you and your kids enjoy the movie as much as I did. MMW proves once again that "small franchises" can (and have) made some wonderful movies.
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  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While it puts things into perspective and all, the fact that it fell almost 10 million short of expectations still makes things look bleak, especially since the last film made most of its money here rather than overseas.

    But yes, these smaller franchises do matter and can make money that return better than a huge blockbuster. The Muppets, by comparison of John Carter and Lone Ranger, are still a viable investment.

    But it didn't hit that 20-25 million mark, it's deemed a failure already... not too much to be optimistic about. On the other hand, Detergent was supposed to open at 60 and only got like 52. So maybe that's saying something there. Trying not to delude myself with hope, but maybe next week will be a stronger movie going weekend.
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I don't know if Rocky and Bullwinkle was less accessible than The Muppet Show. In the past two decades, Rocky and Bullwinkle reruns have aired longer than The Muppet Show reruns. Though I don't know when the last time that shows reruns have been on (last I saw the show on TV was in 2008, I think on WGN). Additionally, that whole series has been available on DVD for years (though there had been a long gap between the releases of seasons three and four... Just like with The Muppet Show), plus there had been a number of single-disc "best of" collections (of course, whoever releases Bullwinkle on video doesn't have to worry about music rights).

    Of course, while the show had been popular on video and in reruns, Rocky and Bullwinkle have done a lot less than The Muppets. There's been more Muppet movies (only one of the four Bullwinkle-related films has been successful), there was never a second Bullwinkle series or specials starring the characters (though there were a few attempts that didn't make it to animation), and I think Muppet merchandise is more widely available than Bullwinkle merchandise (even when there's not much Muppet merchandise available). Though the only time I remember seeing a lot of (non-video) Bullwinkle merchandise in stores was when the Bullwinkle movie came out.
  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I'm not that surprised Peabody is doing better. It's the usual CGI cartoon that's huge right now. Same with Frozen. People aren't searching for creativity here. They're just drawn to the familiar. The Muppets aren't familiar.
  13. JonnyBMuppetMan

    JonnyBMuppetMan Well-Known Member

    At the books stores I've been at, I've actually seen quite a few picture books based on the Peabody and Sherman movie in past month or so. Wal-Mart is also selling two DVD volumes of the original cartoons. Kind of makes you think Disney should be doing something like that with the Muppet Show. Hmmm...
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Bingo. It doesn't pay to distance yourself from your best works.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While I have to complain about the lack of Muppet Merchandise, though they did do much better this time... Peabody and Sherman's merchandising is like this... a couple kid's novelizations, a Happy Meal promotion, those two DVD's, and the only toy related merchandise outside of the kid's meals? Funko Pop classic Peabody, Sherman, Rocky and Bullwinkle. Even Croods had a toy line, albeit a hard to find one. To put it in the perspective of the Muppets, they have some spotty clothing, plush toys, cereal boxes, yogurt, Pez (with a new Fozzie)... not quite enough for my tastes, but more than Peabody and Sherman got. Minus the fact that Disney dropped the ball on not releasing any special Muppet movies (other than the 2 Blu releases) or TV shows/specials to tie into the film.

    Now comparing Peabody and Sherman to the Rocky and Bullwinkle movie... there were ample amounts of bendy toys and plush and quite a lot more kid's novelizations and books (including Joke Books and novelizations of episodes). Of course, that movie flopped and the merchandise went on deep discount, but at least we got something out of it.
  16. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Wait wait wait...did the Muppets do a tv show? :p
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  17. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    It's obvious that the Muppets are a labor of love. Celebrities, Disney heads, and creative Hollywood people love the Muppets even if the Walmartian Americans are not into the Muppets. I think the people in charge will continue to make and push Muppet productions because they're fans.

    Spot on. I know I've said it before, but as much as The Muppets is what this touch screen app, computer animation/vfx obsessed society needs...maybe society doesn't deserve the Muppets. The Muppets appeal to special people. It's not a mass appreciation like Pixar films or Star Wars. It's smart humor that's also a rare kind of innocence that while pure isn't bland or easily defined. The Muppets are for weirdos, as Rizzo would attest. A lot of society is not tolerant of being different.
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  18. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    From what I hear, several tv shows! Though Disney refuses to ever release them or tv specials on the home market, save for the first few seasons of the original Muppet Show
  19. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Like I said their just not as appericated here as opposed to abroad. I mean Jim couldn't even get TMS aired here for crying out loud. In some ways not many things have changed in 30 years.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Disney hates releasing ANYTHING that isn't a movie. Even their current TV shows. You would have thought that Toy Story 3 was important and big enough to release Buzz Lightyear of Star Command on any capacity. Nope. And they didn't have to clear any music rights for that one either. Ducktales may have gotten a shiny new video game remake, but the last of the TV series never got finished on their bare bones, "oh well, at least it's something" DVD's. And even their current hits like Phineas and Ferb, Gravity Falls, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Avengers Assemble... they refuse to release any of them on season or half season sets. We get crappy, incomplete, out of order episodes. That's it.

    So the fact we even got the first 3 seasons of TMS at all is a boon. Now if it is indeed music copyrighting that's to blame for the (lost count of how many years) absence of the DVD's...yes. That's beyond Disney's control and the fault of the draconian musical rights system designed by miserly music producers that buy up song rights for the sake of owning them and making money off of them. But if it's Disney's on again, off again cold feet, then they only have themselves to blame for the weak opening.

    You know, I kinda refuse to believe the characters are that obscure and inaccessible. People still buy Muppet movies for their kids. People know who Kermit is. The Muppets have a brand strength that's not extremely huge, but it's there. It's like those who would see this film are waiting till it comes out on home video. Either that or they're actually dumb enough to avoid this movie because Jason Segal isn't in it. The irony of "OOOH! Jason Segal saved The Muppets! he's the savior of our favorite thing! What? He's not in this one? I'm not seeing it and letting it fail" is lost on them.

    However, my beef isn't that CGI films exist. My beef is that when there's no other kid's film available except for one righteous piece of trash like Alpha and Omega, The Nut Job, and Gnomeo and Juliet, they make "get the kids out of the house" money. MMW does have that one kid's movie as competition, a strong competition... so that means, while in addition to the general movie going public not being energized to see this, they just aren't taking their kids out to see movies this week.
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