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My Thoughts: Disney's Muppets

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Barry Lee, Sep 4, 2006.

  1. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Well-Known Member

    Allright people, I wanna lay off my chest a few things about the lack of stuff from Disney & The Muppets in general. You may also respond if you please, I just feel that we need a thread about our thoughts etc. So here it goes...

    I love the Muppets, loved them ever since I was born, always will love them. So when Eisner bought the muppets at first I was excited, thinking, "Yay! More Muppet Stuff" people had mixed emotions, but I was for it, at least, then I was. The news of Muppets Wizard of Oz rolled along, everyone was geared for the movie, I know I was. I was excited for this movie, thought it would be interesting. So then it aired. I literally almost fainted. One of the worst muppet movie's I have ever seen. Though I bought the dvd, I tried to watch it, but ended up turning it off.

    But then we got "The Muppet Show: Season One" DVD Boxset! Yay! So I bought that, but then I realised it was cut. I was pi**** off.

    Meanwhile, over at the JHC, we got Fraggle Rock Season One DVD boxset I was a happy little camper receiving that dvd.

    So then we got the Movies.Com thing, I loved it at first with it's raunchy humor, but as soon as Bill and Steve went, I didn't watch the show since, it totally changed, and we hardly got any old characters.

    Now I know some people will be mad, so what!

    HIT Entertainment is doing wonderful with there library, we have gotten all kinds of Fraggle Rock stuff.

    Sesame Workshop is doing wonderful, were getting this box set! Woohoo!

    Disney however, keeps letting us down!

    All we get from disney is cancellations, we dont get a new show, but France does?

    Disney isn't doing a good job preserving the preformer's either in my opinion, I mean I am not for all these people performing Kermit, we should have one puppet, one performer, Sesame Workshop does that, what's the problem here?

    I keep getting let down with Disney. And it upsets me very very very very much to see the Muppets no where in sight.

    They ruine them, they made some stupid cell phone game with rapping muppets too! That is NOT the muppets once so ever! Come on!

    They try to make the Muppets up to date, when they allready are! They dont need stupid pop culture references, or story book remakes, they need great writers, and people who truly know the muppets, instead of these people who think they know the muppets.

    I just feel very upset right now, that's why I posted this, and please post your rants about this situation. I think we all should let our feelings go out.

    If I offended anyone, sorry, but this is the way I feel.

    Peace, Love, & Happiness,

    Barry S. Lee :zany:
  2. MuppetMarc

    MuppetMarc Well-Known Member

  3. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Well-Known Member

  4. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    This didn't offend me one dang bit and I agree with what you're saying. However, well......actually there is no however in this statement. I just thought that the last sentence needed a however at the beginning of it.

  5. muppetsforlife

    muppetsforlife Well-Known Member

    You are 100% dead on. You know I always tried to defend Disney and really had high hopes for what they were going to do. I kept saying "give them a chance, they will do good." But I officially agree with you all, now. They are doing terrible with them. And I don't support what they are doing until they prove me wrong. Which I am still hoping for, but doubt very much. Very frustrating.
  6. anythingmuppet

    anythingmuppet Well-Known Member

    I agree entirely with Barry. Disney's not doing ANYTHING good with the muppets, sorry. And like Barry said, they shouldn't try to make them like rappers and "hip". :rolleyes:
  7. Mr.Penguin

    Mr.Penguin Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I agree :mad: :D (except that I loved the season one set, and it's not their fault they couldn't the rights to the songs they cut :concern: )
  8. CommanderD

    CommanderD Member

    Disney in general is going down the tubes nowadays. I mean, true, the cuts for the Muppet Show 1st season were unfortunate, but at least they had special features for them. Disney's DVD releases of Darkwing Duck and DuckTales don't have ANY special features. All Disney seems to be doing nowadays is making crummy, unneeded sequels. It's a shame. :(

    It seems to me that Disney just doesn't know what to do with itself nowadays. And that includes knowing what to do with the Muppets. I don't think Walt (or Jim) would be very proud.
  9. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    Now, I have a real issue with Disney doing that to DuckTales and Darkwing Duck, not having special features. If you're not gonna put special features in a DVD box set, then you might as well make it availible for VHS. It would cost less, and you'd get the same as on DVD. Sure, not many people have VHS, but so what? Still be the same dang thing. I personally think that if Jim and Walt were alive this wouldn't happen, mostly cause Jim would still have control of the Muppets and Walt would be working on his own stuff and not this stuff that they have now. That and ABC wouldn't be in 4th place.

  10. King Prawn

    King Prawn Well-Known Member

    I could not agree more with everyone here, we're slowly losing the Muppets. I remember when it was first announced that Disney would be buying the Muppets. At first I was against the idea but Disney was promising us fans so many stuff that I actually believed them, I was so thrilled when Disney released Muppets Wizard of Oz which then turned out to be a disaster and would have been released either way by Disney or not cause the Henson CompanyI believe were already in agreement to release the film with the help of another company but now unfortunatly it looks like we were all mosty right because I remember many people voicing thier concerns at the time and it looks like we were right.

    What's missing from the Muppets is the writting, you can't just get anyone to write for the Muppets or The Simpsons or South Park for that matter, these characters need the same writers, those who have been writing them since the start and know the characters well enough. Sadly most of the main Muppet writers are gone but I believe Dave Goelz should be allowed to write the next Muppet project before those they are letting write for them at the moment, I can bet you Dave, Steve or any of the original perforemers could write a better screenplay fror the Muppets than those currently writting, they know the Muppets well enough. After them the next logical step in my mind would be for one of us to write something for them, we know the Muppets better than anyone after those involved in the Henson Company.

    My point is that's what spoiling the Muppets is the fact that what they are given to do is crap, I saw Kermit on Extreme HomeMakeover for the first time the other night and I admired what he did but to see Kermit working on a show as a guest star for stars (if you can call them that) that would never have appeared on the Muppet Show is just sad and I watched and the truth is I was not being entertained by Kermit. It is all very frustrating, I've always loved the Muppets and I hate to see whats happening to them, the thought that soon they will fade away, I never thought that would actually happen.

    I've been writting my own little personal fanfics for years now and I always concentrate on Kermit's character, the others too but when writing the most important thing is to remember who you are writing for not just write whatever and then have him say that.

    I've got a screenplay I recently finished, I've been writing it since 2004 maybe i'll go try make something of it ;) One can dream can't he
  11. muppetsforlife

    muppetsforlife Well-Known Member

    So is there reason to have hope? :concern:
  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    It would be nice if the Muppets did something new. But personally, I wouldn't mind if they never did anything else. Not just because the new stuff has consistently disapointed. But also because the Muppets have done their good work, they're classic and by definiton something that's classic can't last forever.

    Heh, that being said, it would be nice if Disney would release the old stuff on DVD faster than it has! It's annoying walking into a video store, seeing two copies of The Muppet Movie and five copies of Muppets From Space (sorry, I can't watch that for more than two seconds). I honestly think these companies have no idea what their audience's actual tastes are. It's mostly speculation and assumption.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I agree with your statement. I followed wrestling big time from 1986 til about 2002, then gave up.

    The ultimate dream angle of WWF vs WCW vs ECW vs NWO was completely botched, and it ceased to become anything other than Mad TV skits with some "wrestling".

    But now we have TNA which is pretty much WCW and ROH which is pretty much ECW again, tho I never got back into wrestling.

    Point being, someone buys up a huge franchise then makes sure it never thrives again.

    THIS is what is happening to the Muppets. It's like freedom being squashed by a dictator.

    WHY cant Muppet fans have the cajones and will of Farscape fans and
    make some noise?
  14. aaronmojo

    aaronmojo Well-Known Member

    I hate to say this here but maybe they just need to (GASP) retire the classic Muppets. After all -- when was the last time Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse was in an enjoyable cartoon?

    It is impossible that new Muppet projects will be imbued with the same quality as the "golden age" Muppet stuff because most of the folks who worked with Henson have either moved on or passed away. I think if Disney does anything with the Muppets, it will definitely be geared towards children and will have none of the cleverness or sophistication that we all love.

    Think of it as Chuck Jones Bugs Bunny versus Space Jam Bugs Bunny. I'd rather they retire these characters than run them into the ground.
  15. CommanderD

    CommanderD Member

    Well, maybe semi-retirement. Because Disney did release Mickey, Donald, and Goofy in "The Three Musketeers" on DVD a few years ago and that was actually very enjoyable. I figure there may still be hope. If they can still make a decent Mickey, perhaps they'll figure out what to do with Kermit too.

    And ugh, please don't mention Space Jam... :o :eek:
  16. JRawkSteady

    JRawkSteady Member

    First off, the last few Disney films have been crummy, but that's because in Eisner's final years, he just gave up and started trying to pump out more films rather than make quality. Iger is trying to fix Eisner's mistakes by bringing Lasseter into the picture. Pirates of the Caribbean was the only tremendous success Disney has had in a while. HOWEVER, the Disney Channel is doing very well and so are its subsidiaries.

    I feel liek Disney isn't sure what to do with the Muppets yet, but if you give them time, I bet they'll make the right decisions...but then again, I'm a glass is half full kinda guy.
  17. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    Personally, it`d be great to see someone new break through with a fresher idea, great writing and a talented base of people like this guy!
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Mmmmm/.... well, I do agree it's a shame to see these wi'out special features, but then again, DVD's cost less to produce than VHS... much like how Cd-rom based games are cheaper to produce than cartidge games.... which is what cause N64 to collapse. HOWEVER, I feel it's nice we have them AT ALL. Remember.... Darkwing Duck and Ducktales were released 2 episodes on each tape for 10+ dollars. You get 26 or 27 episodes for 25 bucks... that's a buck an episode. Not to mention that you don't have to rewind or fast forward to get to one specific episode you want to watch. While it is a shame they couldn't get the voice actors together or anything, it's still a good dealn and a boon to the fans. To Disney's credit, they could've just left them on the shelf, and released every episode of "Zach and Cody Screw Around in a Hotel" or whatever it's called.

    >> agree with your statement. I followed wrestling big time from 1986 til about 2002, then gave up.

    The ultimate dream angle of WWF vs WCW vs ECW vs NWO was completely botched, and it ceased to become anything other than Mad TV skits with some "wrestling".

    But now we have TNA which is pretty much WCW and ROH which is pretty much ECW again, tho I never got back into wrestling.

    Point being, someone buys up a huge franchise then makes sure it never thrives again<<

    Somehow the whole thing looks less believable than Ultimate Muscle. Every time I see an ad for an episode, I keep thinking Wally Tuskett will jump out and the Undertaker reveals himself as a member of the DMP. Embarassing.

    The problem is buying the Muppets was Eisner's Brain child, and all the "eisner" choices (except for exploiting the shell out of Winnie the Pooh to a gutrenching extent) are apparently gone.

    I know it woulda sucked, but they can't find time on their schedual for the "Next Muppet" show on ABC... with their unwatched According to Jim-a-thons? Man, they even gave Rodney 2 seasons and it's not even a remarkabnle show in any aspect.
  19. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I have to agree I am also disappointed with what Disney's been doing with the Muppets lately. I mean I'm very thankful for the season 1 set despite it being all cut up. I just wish that they'd release season 2 already! It's been over a year since season 1 came out, but I guess if this means they're trying to get as many un-cut episodes as possible it's ok. Muppets' Wizard of Oz was ok in my book but nothing special. It's definitely the Muppet Movie I've watched the least amount of times though.

    If Eisner was still around I wonder if we'd be getting more activity from the Muppets, he seemed to be really excited about owning the Muppets (it's the one thing that keeps me from being a huge Anti-Eisner person).

    As for the movies.com Statler and Waldorf show I still like it but I do miss Steve and Dave, the new guys just aren't as great. I watched the newest episode yesterday and then watched the first episode and it was so much better.
  20. Well, you're better off going back to defending Disney and giving them a chance, knowing that they will do good because they WILL do good.

    And Barry Lee, please get a life!

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