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NEW Disney Marvel MUPPET comics!

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by a_Mickey_Muppet, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    hey MC gang,

    Marvel and Disney Publishing will debut DISNEY•MUPPETS
    PRESENTS: MEET THE MUPPETS, a giant-sized comic featuring Kermit, Miss Piggy, Fozzy, Gonzo and the Muppet gang. Hitting stores in July 2011, this 96 page comic features stories from acclaimed writer/artist Roger Langridge (Thor: The Mighty Avenger). (All ages, $5.99)

    more here on MY website: www.DisneyDigitalFiles.com

  2. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Not new. Looks like the original four just republished by Marvel.

    And they don't even care enough to spell Fozzie's name correct in their press release. Yeesh. Yawn. Wake me when they publish something truly new.
  3. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    $5.99 for 4 issues' worth? Please tell me the printing won't be awful quality. The artwork deserves better than that.

    I guess they're trying to get The Muppets a wider distribution as part of a publicity push leading up to the movie. If so, I hope it succeeds... but I'd much rather have new, good stories to read.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I already said some of what I said before, and I'm going to write an article for the Mindset in time, but disappointment isn't even the word.
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    My thinking is that these particular 4 issues reintroduce the Muppets and the 4 most iconic characters. That's probably why they were chosen for wider-reprinting by Marvel. It's probably more for the newbies than the fans and the price point kind of reveals that. It doesn't make our first-printings from Boom less valuable. In fact, it could make them even more sought-after by collectors.
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  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Other than the fact it makes the comics more accessible to newbies and kids, this really does nothing for all of us that followed it from the beginning. Yes, it's a good start for... ugh... this sort of thing to reintroduce the characters, but for everyone that followed the comics to the abrupt and unsatisfying end (Sherlock Holmes) it's almost an insult.

    Plus, I DID see the reprinted GN's sold at Disney stores. They didn't even have the Pixar ones.

    There's an article I wrote to the Mindset that I think sums up what I have to say... but I agree with dw on this one. It's not like these are long lost, completely forgotten, have to pay 10 bucks plus for mint condition series from the 80's, these are scarcely 2 years old, and the reprints and GN's are still available and pretty easily accessible.

    Again, it doesn't matter that they're reprinting stuff rather than publishing new works (like the Phineas and Ferb magazine), but the fact they ended a successful license with an indie company so they could toss out a meh reprint product. That's the magic of TMSCB... we had NEW Muppet Show stories. If I want old material, I'd rather them get Seasons 4 and 5 out there.

    Boom treated The Muppet Show Comic Book as a special medium of its own, Marvel's treating it as merchandise. Think about it.
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I respect the care Boom took, but I want the Muppets on major labels now. If that means re-issues then go for it! The quality of the art and writing is still there in these issues and at a very affordable price point. This has impulse purchase written all over it and that could be a great thing! If these Marvel printings aren't front and center in supermarkets and/or Disney Stores then I will be disappointed in this decision. Otherwise, I still think it's great.

    People are cheap and lazy. Let them see the large-sized, 100 page Meet the Muppets by the checkout stand at a $5.99 price point rather than hidden away in a comics shop or online at an exorbitant fee. Don't hide their shine! Boom has sold out of the soft cover printing and their hard cover costs $24.99. That means secondary markets with an increased price point and Disney gets none of that extra cash. Incidentally, that's something that always annoyed me about the Palisades figures. The gougers ended up making the bulk of the profits on those! Friggin' vultures.

    I agree with the naysayers here in wanting new stories and it would be great if they were doing them now. But for the Muppets to be solid they need to think about their financial future rather than focusing on a niche of die-hard fans. That's what they're doing here. They're sharing what we already know to the masses and we shouldn't fault them for it. Right now their not reinventing a wheel they don't need to quite yet.

    I'll complain if they only re-run these old stories or release sub-standard work in the future. Nobody's landed yet so why worry about something that hasn't happened yet? I think a lot of us are still pretty sore that the Muppets lost their faithful Boom support.
  8. dmoss

    dmoss Well-Known Member

    I agree that we should let Disney do what they know how to...The Muppets won't be at the top again over night. Look at all the faith they've put into them this far, and imagine how far they can take them. Disney has proven their ability to provide fan service, just by licensing them to folks like replica lines, and comic books. We can only hope that they continue gaining momentum and new, younger fans. In time, we will start to see new and fun Muppet things for familiar fans, and I think we might even see more items for lesser-known characters, such as how the Pigs in Space crew was included with the Vinylmation release... :)
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Every single licensed comic, with the exception of anything by Warner Bros (Scooby-Doo, DC comics animated series, Looney Tunes) is licensed by smaller, outside, third party companies. Everything from Transformers to Shrek to Star Wars (and I can't think of any bigger names than that) and they all benefit from being the staples or big names holding them up. With a powerhouse like Marvel, what do they need anything like that for? They got Spider-Man and the Hulk and whatever character they decide to do a movie of that year. Sure, Marvel did do licensed kiddy comics long, long ago... but that was before they realized they could make kid friendly versions of their own characters and cut out the middle man and licensing fees. besides, other than Heathcliff, ALF, and Ren and Stimpy, none of those lasted very long, and most were just factory made.

    It's there because they don't care to spend any money doing something NEW. That's like saying the quality of writing is still in a rerun.

    I'd complain. There's clearly NO PLANS to release anything beyond magazines, not with the Muppets, and not even with their bigger seller, Pixar. Again, they have kid friendly Spidey comics and Marvel Super Hero Squad to work with. Unlike Boom, Marvel has a lower tolerance for how many issuses of something they can sell because they are a bigger company. Look at the Mighty Thor series Langridge did... that lasted an issue. Even if they were to release new Muppet comics (mark my words, they won't), they'd be staff written, cranked out, lacking in quality and last 2 issues. Trust me on that.

    But there ARE no plans for that... and I doubt this cheap little crummy Muppet reprintstravaganza is going to have more than one issue, even if it sells. Now, if the shoe were on the other foot and either Marvel got a sublicense to reprint the comics, or even make new ones... sure, a for everyone else that missed it and didn't care kiddy magazine is fine exposure.... but the fact that we LOST a great comic series due to the license being pulled so nothing constructive can be done with it is an insult. This is tantamount to a movie studio buying the rights up to a movie, and just making a slapdash, terrible film because the license is going to expire.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm not saying Mavel needs the Muppets. I think the Muppets can benefit from Marvel's exposure.

    Of course your deep knowledge about the history of comics from all labels far transcends my own, but who at Marvel said they have no plans to release anything new? Who says this indicates anything other than Marvel republishing a popular recent out of print comic that establishes the characters? I'm known to be quite critical when it comes to Muppet product, but I just can't hop on the wagon for something that hasn't happened yet. All my energy and focus is geared toward the new movie and new products we have yet to hear about. I'm impatient too, but nobody's landed yet. :cool:
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I can't say I'm great with comic lables, but it makes sense.

    What's popular right now? Super Heroes. Marvel and DC have their own super heroes that built their brands... those super heroes are the most popular. They're also popular with kids. What do you think is more profitable for the major companies? Something they'd have to pay for a license that's moderately popular, or something they own that's much more popular?

    Again, with an indie company, the licensed comic can thrive. The name of the franchise actually helps the company out. Plus, you can always luck out and get artists and writers that are fans of those licensed characters.

    Long story short,sure... The Muppets could benefit from a name brand, but it's not like they weren't benefiting from Boom already. I swear, had the license continued, it would have been reprinted as a free comic book day title.

    The Muppets don't really need Marvel, and Marvel certainly doesn't need the Muppets.... they got like 3 movies a year... and they usually aren't that good.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I get you. Part of me still feels that this debacle is part of why Landgridge left the Muppet comics even though he admitted some other personal factors. He really rebuilt the Muppets in comic form through his writing and direction, but likely only earned a fraction of what he's worth for it and now he'll likely get shafted on the reprinting. This is all speculation on my part. I'm not quite sure how this structure works.

    I'm also not sure Boom has the same abilities to widely publish and market like Marvel. Archadia makes sense for the Fraggle and Henson niche market, but the Muppets are no longer being given the niche treatment. That's going to bring about both good and bad things that ultimately will make them more popular in a larger sense.

    I'm curious to see what will happen to Marvel and the Muppets. Disney bought the company for a fortune so it makes sense that they're trying to make the most out of it. Because of that I'm not sure if we can go by any track record as an indicator. Then again, Disney's purchase of Marvel could put them in grave financial jeopardy if they don't make a swift success of it. I'd hate to see the Mouse up on the auction block. They've been able to avoid that for years so it will probably be okay. It's this love of the Muppets and Disney animation that inflates my support for Marvel. I just hope it all works.
  13. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Some are quite good! Some are pretty awesome! The ones in that category this year will be called "Thor" and "Captain America: The First Avenger" :) (As a superhero fan of both Marvel and DC, I just had to mention those- I'm quite excited for both!) And I should also mention "X-Men: First Class" and "Green Lantern" (Yay! A DC Comics character other than Superman and Batman getting a movie! Though I love Superman and Batman and can't wait for their new movies too!) - I had some doubts about them at first, but after learning more about them and seeing some trailers, I'm pretty excited for them too now.:D
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd be far more worried about the Muppets under Disney than Marvel. Other than consolidating licenses (it's more about money going out than money coming in, even if money coming in is wroth way more), there was no major call for this. Again, it isn't just about the Muppet comics, but the Pixar ones too. I'm glad I didn't have the money or time to get into the Incredibles... they ended Mid-Story.

    As for Disney's ownership of Marvel... 2-3 movies a year, 2-3 cartoon series on television, countless action figures on toy shelves (movie, cartoon and classic merchandise), and of course the comics themselves... I'd say they're completely fine. They probably made back what they spent on the Iron Man 2 merchandise alone.

    Well, Jonah Hex had a movie. I guess I have to remind everyone since literally no one saw it.
  15. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Oh, I was quite excited for the Jonah Hex movie- I was thinking of going to see it- but there were other movies I wanted to spend money on seeing instead... And it's not like he's one of my top favorite characters, but I do know who he is- and it was great to see a minor DC character get a movie. I also don't like the character's origins though, so that's another reason why I probably wouldn't bother with it.
    But yeah- there have been a few other DC superhero movies with varying degrees of success. I don't bother to count stuff like "V for Vendetta", "The Losers", "Watchmen", etc. - since those aren't really in the mainstream DC comics continuity. If you want to count "The Spirit", I guess there's that- but from what I've heard, Frank Miller's 2008 movie looked pretty cool- but just didn't come together. The 1987 TV-movie version with Sam Jones might be a better version...
    And then there's the 2004 classic, "Catwoman". Yay!:p (yeah- that was sarcasm. Wow- I don't really have anything against Halle Berry as Catwoman, though she probably wouldn't have been my first pick- but that movie's costume was horrible, as was the storyline. She wasn't even Selina Kyle in the movie...I don't get that.)
    And there's the 1997 classic, "Steel"- with Shaquille O'Neal, at the height of his acting prowess.:D If they could tone down all the cursing in that movie, it actually could have been a fun little movie- I mean, he did look the part and the hammer was pretty neat. I wish they had gotten the "S" on his chest on there though.
    And of course- there is also the 1984 "Supergirl" movie, which Helen Slater was perfect for. I really enjoy that movie pretty well too, alongside the Christopher Reeve "Superman" movies.
    (But technically, "Catwoman" falls under the "Batman" family and "Steel" and "Supergirl" fall under the "Superman" family).
    And of course, I can't forget the 1982 "Swamp Thing" and 1989 "The Return of Swamp Thing" movies. Those were pretty good- and the TV show (all of which starred the same actor, Dick Durock) was great too.
    For another technicality, you could add the 1959 "Green Mansions" movie, which is loosely based on "Rima, the Jungle Girl". (though it's tricky to say if she's really considered mainstream DC comics continuity- but she has been in the past, but this movie seems to be based more on a book of her public domain adventures...)
    And if you want to count the serials, there's also a number of others that could be added- like "Blackhawk", "Spy Smasher", "Hop Harrigan", "Vigilante" and probably the most famous of them- also considered to be one of the best serials ever- the 1941 "The Adventures of Captain Marvel".:)
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If I didn't see that episode of Batman TAS that had a flashback with Jonah Hex in it, I wouldn't even have known it was a comic book character, tell you the truth.

    There are quite a lot of DC characters, no question... but the question is, how do you make a coherent movie out of them? Me? I'd love to see a fully animated Plastic Man film based on the Kyle Baker (or whatever the heck his name was) comics that they WERE going to make a show of, but it got turned down, and all we got was the pilot. What a pilot! but a pilot no less. But I'd like to see them do a DTV or something in that style... that I WOULD see.

    But the real topic here is Marvel. Every year we see one or two Marvel based films (one unfortunately always from Fox... I have zero faith in First Class), and their characters continue to find new media and forms to appeal to wider fans than just comic guys... sometimes stuff that directly alienates them, leading to nonstop complaints about how everything is terrible.

    As far as kids go, which is what they're going for here, they have several TV shows and no doubt several comics based ON said TV shows. Like Super Hero Squad. I actually picked up a 50 cent promotional copy yesterday with my Fraggle Rock #3. It's actually funny and very kid friendly. I just don't see how even Pixar characters can compete with that. Even if they're owned by the same company now, I just don't see why they'd need to make comics for kids that feature any characters but their own Marvel brand... Disney or no Disney.

    Now, if things were different, I still could only see a "Pixar Presents" title, similar to the Disney presents tilte from the 90's... meaning short stories directly written for a younger market. No multilevel story arcs serving as small continuations in between movies or for movies that don't have a sequel planned. We wouldn't have what BOOM had done... Buzz Lightyear of Star Command characters were retconned into the plot of a Toy Story arc! Well... Booster, anyway... XR was mentioned in passing... that's something that Pixar didn't do with TS3. Their Monsters Inc series bridged the gap between TS and MI... tying them together in universe (though again, these are comics and out of canon) From what I read of The Incredibles, they had some pretty grown up, on par with the movie, concepts. The kiddy comics I've read of Incredibles have all been just that... kiddy. It was a very dark movie.

    And frankly, I don't see a Muppet comic series, reprint or original, outside a one shot magazine.
  17. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    That's pretty cool- didn't know that.:) Nice that BOOM maintained some continuity with "Toy Story" and the "Buzz Lightyear of Space Command" cartoon.

    I'm a comic book fan and I've read a lot of comics- and paged through a number of them at the comic book shop- but yeah, I have to admit that Batman: TAS was my introduction to Jonah Hex too.
    You know that the 1970s Plastic Man cartoon series got released to DVD, right? The Plastic Man pilot you're talking about was included on that DVD. But yeah- I've read some of the Kyle Baker Plastic Man comics and that would be really cool to see a movie based on that. Of course, I'd be happy for any kind of a Plastic Man movie- it could be a really fun thing. But I'm always happy to see any DC or Marvel superhero character to make a live action debut. (Though technically Plastic Man had sort of a live action appearance on the '70s cartoon show- they had some live action bits in between cartoon where Plastic Man showed up in the flesh...)
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The story was about Andy getting another Buzz Lightyear figure by mistake, and then returning it to the store. Unfortunately, THAT Buzz Lightyear was as bad as Buzz when he first reached Andy, and Andy's actual Buzz got packed up in the box to be returned... Andy returned it for a Booster, and even mentioned him and XR earlier.

    The events of the comic seem to take place between TS and TS2, as Jesse and Bull's Eye weren't with the group yet.

    Sigh... I miss these great stories, Muppet AND Pixar already. If they take away the Darkwing license, I'll go ballistic.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    IF Marvel does do an original Muppet comic story I'm hoping Tough pigs interviews whoever the writer is (I assume Tough Pigs will, seeing as they've interviewed practically ever Muppet and Fraggle Rock comic book writer and artist since those comics began) and makes sure the writers care as much as Boom and Archia Comics do (maybe if we'll lucky Marvel will actually hire somebody who wrote one of the Muppet Classics comics).
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    All I'm asking for is a Muppet Magazine, even a one shot full of new comics and new articles. Something that makes me WANT to buy it and support it. Dave Álvarez... remember him and his wonderful Muppet Fan comics? Wouldn't you love to see large one page of comics similar to his? Wouldn't you love to see Roger called back to make short comics? We all deserve new Muppet stories, no matter what.

    Seriously, wouldn't we all rather something on par with These instead of lackluster reprints?

    Now, I did some research. Marvel has magazines of Super Hero Squad and even Spidey and Iron-Man as well. Even if they do reprint old comics for a kiddy audience (can't imagine anything more kiddy than Super Hero Squad, though) they still publish the others for fans who still want to buy the comics. I think that's the key. A compromise can be struck. A new Muppet comic (or at least printing the last arc as a 4 issue miniseries) for the fans, a magazine for people who only shop at super markets and Wal*Mart. We can all be happy or satisfied, but it's all up to Marvel... and let's hope they see it that way.

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