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New Generation of Fantasy Films?!

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Fiery Princess, Dec 19, 2002.

  1. Fiery Princess

    Fiery Princess New Member

    Am I losing it to think that the Henson "powers that are" should get together and make another fantasy film...similar to Dark Crystal and Labyrinth....for the new generation to relate to? I feel like they are missing SO much!! The originals are wonderful and will never be replaced, but with today's technology and creative minds, who knows what could happen?!
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh you are totally right! Someone even mentioned this in another thread(I think it was chilly Down under Wish List)
    With LOTR 1&2, Harry Potter 1&2, Spirited Away, etc that 'Never Ending Story/Willow' etc 80's fantasy revival is in full swing.

    I think the original innovators JHC Creature Shop would make a masterpiece. So far recently its just been work for other films(Cats and Dogs, Harry Potter, Brotherhood of the Wolf)

    I personally have an idea for a JHC Creature fantasy film that could really push the idea and effects envelope.
  3. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Cory's mind is brewing ideas again. Can't wait to hear it! :)

    I do hope the Creature Shop gets in on this fantasy craze before studios aren't willing to buy those kinds of scripts again for a while. I think a well-done sequel would be worthwhile, but most here disagree with me (see the "Do you think they should make a Labyrinth 2?" thread). If no sequel, then I'd be happy for the Shop to give us a fantasy movie with new characters and situations.
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I truly feel the time is ripe, with a great script, for the possibility of JHC Creature Shop being green lighted to make the first JHC fantasy film in gosh...almost 17 years.
  5. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E New Member

    To me, LABYRINTH leaves no room for a sequel.
    DARK CRYSTAL, on the other hand...

    What'd be even better, though, is to bring back the whole STORYTELLER concept. Oohhhh ... and cast Christopher Walken :)
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Love the Christopher Walken idea. Wow!

    But I do take issue with the idea that Labyrinth left no room for a sequel. Different teenager, different Goblin King (or Queen - Cyndi Lauper would be my choice :) See Labyrinth2 thread.) and there you have it. There was much to that world to explore that went untapped. I see a lot of potential, but the original film didn't do well at the box office.

    Fantasy pictures seldom make money. They are a hard sell. That and thief pictures. My several years in film school taught me that. Yeah, there are exceptions, and no real absolute, but on average I have found it to be true. The only sure-fire (eventual) money makers are horror flicks and "blue movies";) . They have a great shelf life. People always want to be scared and titillated. (Can't believe I actually used that word. LOL! They will usually recoup their cost faster than another genre of film that doesn't initially perform at the box office. But that is film history now. With more expensive special effects, the rules have probably changed.
  7. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E New Member

    <B>Different teenager, different Goblin King (or Queen - Cyndi Lauper would be my choice</B>
    Hmmm ... Perhaps.
    As for Cyndi Lauper ... look at HOME ALONE 3. No Macaulay Culkin. No Joe Pesci. No Daniel Stern. Same concept as before, but without the flair -- notably the great comedic acting of Pesci & Stern -- that really carried the first two along. If L2 "is" made, the Goblin King should be played by David Bowie.
    But DARK CRYSTAL 2 would absolutely work. To me, DARK CRYSTAL is like Henson's unique -- and somewhat obscure -- take on LORD OF THE RINGS.
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think a prequel of the Dark Crystal would be the best idea. I felt the end tied everything up so I wouldn't want to muck that up.

    The stars of Labyrinth are the creatures and the music. Jennifer Connelly is not important. She was good, but not crucial. I would love to see Bowie back, but I think a Goblin Queen would put a fun spin on things. Hey, maybe they both could be in it. I wouldn't mind hearing them sing together. I don't think either of them would object.
  9. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Yeah, as LOTR 1&2, and Harry Potter 1&2 didnt do to well at the box office;)

    It's funny you guys should mention a Dark Crystal prequel/sequel. When the Muppet online thing really started to take shape 4 years back, it was widely reported almost as official than Brian Henson announced JHC CS would begin pre production on a Dark Crystal prequel. Of course it would prove untrue...but it was that rare time when hope for a new JHC CS film seemed like a possibility.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    Did you read my post or are you on some sort of rant? I know that Harry and LOTR have done well.
    The idea was that fantasy films are a gamble. Even the high profile ones we remember today: Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Willow, Legend and countless others didn't perform well at the box office. That's why companies are reluctant to invest in these films. Harry Potter already had an enormous following with it's books (fantasy books do well with children) and Lord of the rings is a classic book series that young and old know about. These were projects with a built-in audience - and they were still gambles, but investors knew they were putting into a likely franchise. Hopefully it will open the door to fresh projects without literary ties. Don't get me wrong, they are great films. But I would like to see something brand new as well. Bottom Line: Fantasy films have historically been a bigger gamble than other genres. Partly because of cost - and when they flop, they flop big.

    With the Sci Fi channel's growing popularity, it appears that there are more openings for cable miniseries and projects in the fantasy realm. A lot safer than higher profile film. Interesting developments - especially with Spielberg's recent Sci-fi hit Taken.
  11. melissa

    melissa New Member

    hey frogboy4

    Yes I totally agree with your ideas....

    But do you think, (They should make the storyteller into a movie)

    Labyrinth 2 and dark crystal (YES FOR A SEQUEAL :)

    melissa :)
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think the Storyteller has a huge sort of springboard for a sequel. The Dark Crystal could have an amazing prequel. Labyrinth could be interesting with a new girl (or guy) in the same circumstances of being trapped Labyrinth. Maybe with a Goblin Queen (Cyndi Lauper) instead or along with the Goblin King. Maybe it could be a team of friends going through the Labyrinth together. That could be fun. Heck, maybe it could get all Neverending Storyesque and have the kids go back to save the world of the Labyrinth. There are endless possibilities. Yes, Sarah's story arch was complete, but there could be another story with the characters.

    I'm not a big fan of sequels, but these are very possible if done right.
  13. Fuzzyshine

    Fuzzyshine New Member

    I would lik if labyrinth and Dark crystal were kind of left alone, I think there special and complete. I would love to see storyteller!
    And what if they do direct to dvd and video? then crazy fans like us would get what we want! And they can add more shipments if neccasary
  14. Manda:-D

    Manda:-D New Member

    Don't hate me for this.....

    I KNOW this is NOT gonna be a very popular idea....But, it's been a few years since the JHC Creature Shop has done a fantasy movie all on their own, and Jim's creative genus is no longer there.....Maybe they should, as a start, adapt a really good fantasy book into a movie. I've never been very comfortable w/sequels, and the thought of a DC2 or Labyrinth 2 seems kinda iffy to me. Can anybody think of any really good fantasy books/stories they'd like to see made into a movie? I can think of one I read years ago, I think it was called "Silverwings"....It's about bats. It had a very dark tone, if I remember....That's all just my opinion......Don't hate me for it!!!!
  15. melissa

    melissa New Member


    we vaule your opion (my friend) We won't get mad.

  16. Fuzzyshine

    Fuzzyshine New Member

    Fantasy films

    I think anything by Peter s Beagle would be good (the last unicorn, a fine and private place, tamsin). I also just read a book by charles de lint. Theres some great fantasy authors out there. C'mon JHC! Please your fans!
  17. Manda:-D

    Manda:-D New Member

    Re: thanks!

    THANK YOU!!!
    I grew up on the Chronicles of Narnia.....And we already know the JHC can make a REALLY COOL lion....And I'd LOVE to see one of those stories actually made into a DECENT movie....That might seem like too much for a kid audience, though....
  18. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Great news, Manda. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is currently in pre-production as a major feature-length movie! The director is one of the co-directors of Shrek. It's going to be live-action mixed with CGI. Right now the director's busy with Shrek 2, so it probably won't be out till 2004 or 2005. You can find updates (when they come) at the excellent website Into the Wardrobe. I'm doing this from memory, but I believe the site is:


    I agree that the Creature Shop could do some fabulous work on LWW. They were originally attached to the project in the mid-90's when John Boorman was assigned to direct, produced by Kennedy/Marshall. It's just as well this didn't go through, though, as K/M wanted to make some RADICAL alterations to the text. The new version promises to be much more faithful.

    Check out "No Strings Attached," a book about the Creature Shop, sometime. They discuss some of the development of this project, and there are pictures of a CGI centaur that was apparently part of this development process. Very cool to look at!
  19. Manda:-D

    Manda:-D New Member

    Thanks, Chilly Down!!!! I'll have to find "No Strings Attached" sometime....And I am VERY much looking forward to that LW&W movie!!!! :D

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