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New Muppet Pilot in Development by Randall Einhorn (The Office, Modern Family) for ABC

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Apr 2, 2015.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There's a difference between adult and "adult." As any really bad adult cartoon can tell you. I have a feeling this will be a more sophisticated, "we're all adults here" type deal in line with better written sitcoms and not the "WE CAN SAY SEX THINGS!!!" juvenileness of a bad Robot Chicken skit/ any given Mr. Pickles episode.

    There is indeed a good middle ground between juvenile and juvenile in adult clothing. I have nothing to fear of it being either of those two.
  2. MuppetMan28

    MuppetMan28 Active Member

    The muppets just tweeded a TBT picture on Twitter, that photo was from the muppet show. BUT I have never seen that picture before and it looked really new. So is it just me or is that photo just recently token.
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  3. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    I hope I'm not stepping on toes, but I want to clear this up before it gets dragged out any further.

    Dwayne proposed two hypothetical situations that could cause him not to give this project a chance. The first one was:

    "One: the original muppeters where recast. Steve, Eric Dave, Bill, all gone."

    After stating both hypothetical situations he said,

    "Nether one of those is happening...."

    His point all along was that the Muppeteers have not been recast, so that is not a reason to fear. When you came along and told him that they have not been recast, it seemed that you had missed his point completely.

    I hope that clears it up enough that we can all move on.
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  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually, ToughPigs put the hole overblown "adult" buzzword panic in its place better than some of us could.

    Of course, the article mentions prude parents already vowing to keep their kids from seeing the completely imaginary "smut" they just automatically panicked about reading the word "adult." Probably the same groups of people who had nothing better to do than whine about Snoop Dogg in that Christmas movie (you know, the voice of Smoov Moove the Snail in a freaking kid's movie) and posted the idiotic comments on Sesame's YT page that got the Katy Perry skit banned.
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It's kind of like how some people here keep misinterpreting the term "family show" as being a show about families or family life in general, when that is actually called a "domcom" (short for domestic comedy), while a "family show" is just that: a show that's appropriate families to watch.

    I digress though. Even if the new show is going to be "adult" in the sense that the show is going to tackle more grown-up situations, they need to be mindful that kids still make up a large demographic of the Muppets' audience, if they stray too far into that territory, we could have situations like certain cartoons ofthe 90s like ROCKO'S MODERN LIFE or COW AND CHICKEN where the kids aren't going to understand it and therefore dismiss it altogether as being a "stupid show." But then again, back in the day, the Muppets were considered "for babies," so what am I even talking about?
  6. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    That's not from The Muppet Show. That's a photo from the 2011 movie, The Muppets.
  7. Iscah

    Iscah Well-Known Member

    He's also sweet and eager-to-please and.... I could see him getting along well with a girl who has a similar sort of personality. (And since her parents are apparently going to be characters too, I can see him stressing out over having to meet them and worried about making a good impression.) At any rate, I'm hopeful about the fact that he's being used for a "serious" storyline and not just cheap gags.

    If they're bringing back a past character, the best choice would be Dora from the final chapter of the "Family Reunion" comic arc. She was only in it briefly so there's not much established story to confuse non-comic-readers, but it seemed like it had potential. (Of course, it depends on whether this is in the same "reality" as The Muppet Show...)

    On a side note, this will mean that the 'main three' male characters (Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo) all have girlfriends.
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  8. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I agree about the "family" label. The religious right of the 80's is responsible for rebranding that word into something more limiting and insidious. The first three Muppet films were family films. Sure, there were some moments with Steve Martin and Madeline Kahn with a bit of edge and subtext that went over the heads of kids while entertaining their parents. That's classic Muppet humor. It walks a fine line sometimes, but it's still family friendly enough.

    I never got the impression that the Muppets were for babies in my generation. Maybe the one after got that idea from the Muppet Babies. I admit to graduating to Fraggles around that time. :coy:
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  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I dunno, but with my generation, you were considered "too old" for the Muppets by the time you were seven or eight.

    Yet, ironically, my generation watched TELETUBBIES when it first came to the U.S., and we were eight and nine years old then, but somehow, it mesmerised us. :p
  10. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Still more attractive in an executive's point of view, and it gives it a good way to market the show.
  11. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    As for the "mockumentary" vibe...remember these? They were really quickly done and on a minimal budget, but they're so incredibly funny. Even though the shows will be a much better quality than this and more tightly written, I think the Muppets will translate just fine into this sort of medium.

    (I remember going crazy for these at the time)

    (I miss Gonzo's old design)

    (Pepe has a way of transcending any medium)

    Add in an actual song or dance number and voila!
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Oh man, that line about the Moral Majority Minority blew my mind. Ugh, the factors that kept "family" stuff as juvenile. And it really comes from all sides as well. True family viewing, at least to me, is a show the family can watch together without someone whining about it on some level. It depends on how old the kids are and how prudish the family is for content, but it's far from the G rated fair only crowd. Maybe G- PG-13. I doubt we'd see anything from the Muppets we haven't seen before. Just as long as the word "edgy" is faaaaaaar from the premise. That's my concern. If anyone else read the treatment/sample script for the Fox show... well... I don't want to say worse than MWO, but... yeah... totally even more cynical than that, but it had nuggets of good Muppet stuff in there.

    Oh, and glad someone mentioned Rocko. Yeah. That was a kid's show... that had references to sex hotels, sex hotlines, short hares... yeah. Not that Nickelodeon didn't sever those things with a freaking axe, but...yeah. And "kids" cartoons are still doing it. And more clever and subtle than most adult shows. Check out Gumball. OOOOh the stuff that gets by in that one. Very subversive dark stuff.
  13. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Who would watch a muppet show that is not adult, and for kids, it is ironic that many people here are adults, and are saying they would not want the muppets adult, anyways that article was saying that, because after muppet babies, everyone thought of the muppets as kids stuff, and by adult they probably mean a more family prime time show, Fresh off the Boat is not full of edgy stuff, yet it is considered adult, which is what is meant by that it will have adult content.
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  14. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Some people thought that the Muppets were kids stuff before Muppet Babies.
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  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The most adult joke I've ever heard from any Muppet character was when Kermit was a commentator on VH1's I LOVE THE 70S, when they were talking about when streaking had become a fad.

    "I don't understand what the big deal is, I'm naked right now. I guess you humans have more parts that flop around."

    Well that, and there was Kermit propositioning Cher once.
  16. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    i can't picture fozzie having a girlfriend ether , i think that they are going to nix that, before airing. that's if it airs.
  17. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Just give it a chance! I mean it has not even been picked up yet, and people are almost wishing for it to fail. I know that people on here have little or no faith in Disney, and the style that they are going with, but give it a chance.
    One thing that the Muppets have been great at doing is changing, and when something dose not work they change it. Let's just hope that the powers that be will allow them to work on it, and grow.
  18. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Well-Known Member

    The Muppets as a franchise is coming back in a big way, like Dwayne said, give it a chance. Let them try this new Avanue out and see how we react to it instead of (over)reacting prematurely. So some of you may have bad vibes about the office? This isn't a verbatim copy of "The Office" with Kermit and co., its a new chapter in the franchise. Let's see how it turns out and let's be glad we're even gettung a new series and that the publicity for it is already as good as it can be.
    The phrase "adult" in terms of comedy may turn people off, but remember, the original Muppet Show had Miss Piggy trying to seduce a towel clad Rudolph Nyrevu (spellings off I'm sure so my bad).
    I for one am extremely excited for the new series!
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  19. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    So........What kind of guest stars would anyone like to see? Or what relationships would you all like to see grow or become new?
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I do agree with one point, though, and It's what I've been saying for years, so skip to the point, MWOZ sucked and that's what JHC would have continued with, it's not like any other entertainment company is well run enough to do anything decent with the characters as they can't even handle their own (look at the crap that went down with Spider-Man at Sony), JHC can't get a project off the ground that isn't a CGI kid's show to save their lives, and at best we'd have a Muppet movie that's been in development purgatory for 10+ years. But above all, you can't go home again.

    There are3 kinds of fans, I feel. The kind that know that nothing's going to be the same or "as good" or whatever again yet accept that and hope for the best tempered with a little concern and those who know things aren't going to be good ever again and just leave the franchise. Then there's the third kind that want things back on their terms, and when they don't get that, they whine their butts off and then whine their butts off even harder when the franchise disappears completely. I'll agree at least that woman wasn't one of them, and I at least respect the whole "done with the franchise" bit. Good. Move on.

    But the number one thing that bugs me is this whole "The Muppets where an organic thing when they were owned by a family and now that a corporation owns them, they're slowly dying." If I'm to be lectured about how "terrible" new Muppet projects are, I'd rather listen to someone who says "the last great thing they were in was JHH" than "why don't we have the same quality we had with KSY, the Jessica Simpson and the other guy talk show, and those appearances where Kermit and Piggy chased each other like bad caricatures of themselves?" A lot of what made the Muppets good left with Jim. There's nothing wrong to say about that, as it happens with every entertainment legacy when someone dies. Heck. Star Wars. Even when the franchise's originator is still there. You can't go home again, but that doesn't mean no one ignore the neighborhood, maybe try the new restaurant that looks good where that place you kept getting food poisoning but kept going to used to be.

    And the Looney Tunes analogy again... just because we aren't seeing another What's Opera Doc or Duck Amok doesn't mean you can't appreciate something as bad as Loonatics ever again being made. The characters can continue, you can ignore them if you don't like the direction, but you can't whine about not having a commercially available replacement for the VHS your machine just chewed up.
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