1. Welcome to the Muppet Central Forum!
    You are viewing our forum as a guest. Join our free community to post topics and start private conversations. Please contact us if you need help with registration or your account login.

  2. "Muppets Most Wanted" Fan Reactions
    After you see "Muppets Most Wanted", read fan reactions and let us know your thoughts on the Muppets eighth theatrical film.

  3. "Muppets Most Wanted" Original Soundtrack
    With a new Muppet movie one of the most anticipated merchandise releases is the official soundtrack. Listen to the Muppets Most Wanted original soundtrack now playing on Muppet Central Radio.

Ninja Turtles

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by beaker, Aug 22, 2002.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well, first Transformers is getting a revival...and next year TMNT(or Ninja turtles!) Ive been a fan since the late 80's...and while every single person on here remembers the big mainstream barney/power rangers esque Turtle Craze of the early 90's...only the diehard fans remain 12 years later. Suffice to say theyre gonna be back baby! In the new Toy Fare they have a great feature, on Playmate's forthcoming line, the new show, and John Woo CGI animated film.

    Is there any TMNT fans on here, and anyone have any more info on this show or other turtle developments?(Yes, Gi Joe, Thundercats, and Heman are having a revival...but I was never into those being as they didnt catch my awe or sense of adventure)
  2. grail

    grail New Member

    i was a BIG TMNT fan back in the day...still am, but to a lesser extent than i used to be. i'm really starting to look forward to the new toys, and the series...unfortunately though, last i heard the CGI film was scrapped...

    in other revival news, check out this little G.I. Joe tidbit i got in my mail today...i put a story on Zen:

    http://www.zentertainment.com/article.php?sid=4991&mode=thread&order=0
  3. gymkatarules

    gymkatarules New Member

    My bed is graced with a large Ninja Turtles blanket. I love them. Ninja Turtles II (by far the best film) comes out Tuesday on DVD!!! Yes!!! Yes, I love the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    G.I. Joe action figures from about '86-90 were the best. Cartoon Network has been showing the series late at night and I've been taping it. Good stuff. They need to get the G.I. Joe complete series out on DVD.

    As for Thundercats, Transformers, etc., I never cared too much.

    -Chris
  4. grail

    grail New Member

    really? i thought it was next tuesday (the 3rd)...along with Turtles III!

    having it out a week sooner is AWESOME! (Johnny Dangerously comes out Tuesday too)
  5. Rufus

    Rufus New Member

    Gotta say, I think the first one is definitely the best. It goes above and beyond being a "90 minute commercial", the emotions the Turtles go through can be pretty intense (especially Raph, of course.)

    The 2nd one's not bad for a live-action cartoon.

    The 3rd.... ugh.

    I'm very interested to see what the new toys are like. Re-hashes of the old line, or maybe something more detailed?
    The movie star Turtles in the old line were great, a lot of detail, the cool rubbery feel, and long headband tails!

    The Leonardo statue looks neat, but I think I'll save my money (and shelf space) for the figures, if they're good.

    - R -
  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Gotta say, I think the first one is definitely the best. It goes above and beyond being a "90 minute commercial", the emotions the Turtles go through can be pretty intense (especially Raph, of course.)<<<

    Oh man, nothing beats the first one! The first one is my second fave film of all time. Filmed in that oh so great era known as 1989, TMNT one is one of the coolest closest to the dark edgy original comic(despite being in the midst of the archie kiddy era crap) films ever. I rank it up there with the Matrix and Blade Runner as some of the coolest genre films ever. Oh, and add to that the fact JHC Creature shop did all the animatronics and suits...well, yopu have one masterpiece of a film. TMNT 2 was ok, but points taken away for of the early 90's times Vanilla Ice cameo...and that ending with Super shredder, ugh. TMNT 3 is an abomination void of any of the greatness of the first one.
    Has anyone ever seen TMNT 4 the next mutation? I actually liked this better than the horrid third one.

    I am however upset over this news:
    http://www.cinescape.com/0/Editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&obj_id=35778

    It seems that oh so epic poop in your pants excitement of the planned John Woo CGI TMNT film(and from the pix Ive seen, looks on par with Final Fantasy style from Square studios) has been squalled by sudios. Idiots! I was really hoping to be able to have a TMNT cgi film nestled between the Matrix reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions, T3 rise of the machines, Xmen 2, and ghost in the shell 2. Bah!

    >>>I'm very interested to see what the new toys are like. Re-hashes of the old line, or maybe something more detailed?
    The movie star Turtles in the old line were great, a lot of detail, the cool rubbery feel, and long headband tails!<<<

    While I used to collect the playmates line, oh man...with the exception of the Jim Lee Image Comics 1996 versions, and too some extent the next mutation line...the old school style is so lame. I hope they can come up with a new sculpt, while keeping it in the 4" scale(sorry, not a big fan of mcfarlane styled 6-7" figures)

    So does anybody know ANY info on the upcoming TMNT cartoon next year? Will there be cgi elements? WIll it be on fox or cartoon network. I think it stinks TF armada is on cable, but oh well.

    At any rate...I See a big comeback finally for th eMuppets and Ninja Turtles finally in 2003!
  7. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    Yay Turtles!!

    The new movie is supposedly going back to the early Turtles, when they were darker (like in the comics).

    My favorite Turtles cartoons were the earlier ones too. It looked much more creepy then. Less bubbly, like the later years.

    - Billy :cool:
  8. wolfy

    wolfy Member

    Oh, my goodness! The Turtles are coming back?

    My youngest has just really discovered the movies (we have the tapes from WAY back...), but my oldest has enjoyed them for many years and STILL talks about them!

    I have to agree, we didn't like TMNT3 very well, either. I think they were trying too hard to push for another sequel and it just didn't come off well.

    Is anyone here old enough to remember the big squawk that went up when the first movie came out? People were expecting the cartoon Turtles, and they got GREAT ones instead! Parents in many cities were screaming bloody murder over the fact that these TMNT were "violent" and used weapons, and that people were hurt or worse in the movie. I don't know...when my son saw it he was about three or so, and he loved every minute of it.

    I'll have to go and talk to him a bit and see what exactly his thoughts about TMNTs still are, but I know he still TALKS about them, and he's 17...must have made SOME impact on him, eh? :)

    --wolfy--
  9. gymkatarules

    gymkatarules New Member

    Sorry...yes, it is September 3rd for DVD release. For some reason, I though this Tuesday was 09.03. Hmm.

    I just don't like the first film. I don't think it's very...good. Like, sure it's darkier, edgier, but it comes off as dumber, believe it or not, than the other two. It tries too hard. Raphael uttering mild obscenities under his breath and all. They go to the country house and the movie gets boring. The whole thing with the massive arcade and Shredder's minions, etc...silly.

    Turtles II? Amazing. Allows itself to have fun. Doesn't concern itself with being realistic. These are, after all, teenage mutant ninja turtles. Endlessly quotable classic, classic lines sorely missed from the first one. Two words: David Warner. By far the best film. That's what I think, at least.

    Okay, anyway, enough rambling from me. Turtle power!

    -Chris
  10. Ernie101

    Ernie101 Active Member

  11. GWGumby

    GWGumby New Member

    I completely remember the uproar over the first movie! I loved the first film. My friends and I went to see it half a dozen times in the first run theater (the first and only movie I did that for.)

    Then when it came time to do the second film, they were no longer able to use the weapons they carried. What's the point of being a ninja and carrying a sword if you can only use it to cut a pizza slice? I never understood why people were upset that a movie about *ninjas* had violence. That just doesn't make sense. I understand that it was marketed towards kids, but did any of the parents actually look at the title of the film?

    I hear in England there was an even bigger fuss. First they're called Hero Turtles rather than Ninja Turtles. And supposedly weilding num-chucks automatically brands a film into the adult category (the 'R' equivalent, I forget what it is over there) so some heavy editing had to be used to remove certain scenes of offending "martial artistry."
  12. Jackie

    Jackie New Member

    Everyone loved the Turtles. They were just such a great idea at the time. I remember my brother and I had all the action figures and the Pizza Thrower was my favorite accessory! I would throw pizzas all over the house and say "COWABUNGA!" LOL!!
  13. wolfy

    wolfy Member

    "Action figures?"

    AAUGH!

    My son had so many of them I was stepping on Turtles all over the place!

    I remember stepping on Raph and nearly killing myself because he hurt my foot so bad, and all my son had to say at the time was, "Mommy! Did you kill my Turtle?"

    Boy, the urge to throw...(the toy, not the kid!)

    I never understood the problem with the movie, either, especially since it was based on the comic and not the cartoons. And didn't the Turtles use weapons (those long sticks if nothing else) in the cartoons? Okay...not up-to-date on my Ninja terminology...back to school for me!

    -- wolfy --
  14. GWGumby

    GWGumby New Member

    They did use weapons, but to destroy robot henchmen or beat on other mutant characters. The movie actually showed violence (although mostly cartoon) to humans which is a no-no in family films.
  15. Rufus

    Rufus New Member

    I don't remember the uproar from the first film, but I was a lot younger at the time so I probably just didn't notice or care. I figured something was up though, when the second one came out and they stopped saying "****" and changed "God, I love being a turtle" to "Man, I love being a turtle." I figured parents must have complained about the language in the first one... I was such a smart kid!

    Also, was the UK-Nunchucks thing why Mikey stopped using his 'chucks in the cartoon and started using that grappling hook thing all the time? That's the only reason I could think of, but never heard anything officially.

    - R -
  16. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Like, sure it's darkier, edgier, but it comes off as dumber, believe it or not, than the other two. It tries too hard. Raphael uttering mild obscenities under his breath and all. They go to the country house and the movie gets boring. The whole thing with the massive arcade and Shredder's minions, etc...silly<<<

    That was so great...being a kid from the late 80's(and yes I still wish it was 1989...the Muppets last great year) this movie was like what the MAtrix is to today's youth. A revolution...as someone who was in arcades every day, and romanticising ancient feudal Japan and ninja stuff, this movie was so awesome. To this day I think its one of the best movies Ive ever seen.
    As for the swearing, ya have to remember it was perfectly acceptible for a PG kids film to be dark and have swearing. Heck, the original Transformers movie cut has Starscream using the 'F' word.

    Then in TMNT 2 they got dumbed down...no more weapons, just Vanilla Ice and bad story arcs. And TMNT 3, ugh.


    Anyways, great to hear TMNT is on a comeback!
  17. grail

    grail New Member

    i thought i'd resurrect this thread just long enough to say that i bought the original movie on DVD this past week because i didn't have it yet and i wanted to before the other two came out. i just finally got a chance to watch it, and something i didn't realize was that Kevin Clash was both one of the Splinter puppeteers but also the voice. this is probably old news, but it'd been so long since i've seen this film that i never caught that before.

    now i need the other two movies...
  18. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Active Member

    I love the turtles! I think it was one of the best things to come out of the 80s toy licensing phenomenon - made all the better because it was based on a truly original, awesome comic. I was never in to the cartoon - I was a little too old - but my little brother loved it! The toys were great too - I loved that sewer playset.

    I think the best movie is the first one, it was the darkest and closest in feel to the comics. The second was pretty good - except they were very paranoid about violence (that's why some of the action was so goofy) and of course, Vanilla Ice was in it. :confused:

    While John Woo's company supposedly is still interested in a Turtles CGI project it is apparently DOA. The new TV series looks like it will be good.

    Mirage Studios has maintained the official TMNT site through all the turtles ups and downs - it's pretty cool with lots of info on the comics, TV shows, toys and movies. They also carry the TMNT daily strip comic and there are tons of production photos, including a tour of the Chiodo Brothers workshop, where the "Next Mutation" turtle suits were done. It's a must see for TMNT fans.
  19. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>i just finally got a chance to watch it, and something i didn't realize was that Kevin Clash was both one of the Splinter puppeteers but also the voice. this is probably old news, but it'd been so long since i've seen this film that i never caught that before<<<

    WOW! News to me, and thats my fave film AND one of my fave puppeteers! When I saw it when it came out, I immediately fell in love with it...there was definately JHC and creature shop all over that, but I had no idea there was that deep of a Muppet connection! Hmmm, Star Wars movies, Monsters Inc, the first TMNT...the JHC talent continues to
    have its hands in some of the best films ever.
  20. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Good to see this thread kept alive...TMNT have been one of the most influential and important American comic books of the last near two decades. People can have thier Thundercats, Heman, whatever. With the exception of Transformers, Ninja Turtles in my mind is the quintessential definition of rad.

    Buck Beaver:>>>I love the turtles! I think it was one of the best things to come out of the 80s toy licensing phenomenon - made all the better because it was based on a truly original, awesome comic. I was never in to the cartoon - I was a little too old - but my little brother loved it! The toys were great too - I loved that sewer playset<<<<

    Like Ive said, NOTHING beats the era of the late 80's! And TMNT was a huge part of that. Sadly most kids of the time just knew about the lame Archie comics, but I was very blown away by the mid 80's Mirage Studios stuff.

    I think the best movie is the first one, it was the darkest and closest in feel to the comics. <<<

    TMNT and The Matrix to me are on my top 5 greatest films Ive ever seen list. I could write page upon page about how great I think the first TMNT was(Along with how lame the rest were)

    While John Woo's company supposedly is still interested in a Turtles CGI project it is apparently DOA. The new TV series looks like it will be good.<<<

    This is news of GREAT distress. Cory Feldman broke the news on some site, as he was to voice a character on it. this was a pee poor choice, as the few pix I saw put it on apr with the look of Square(Final Fantasy, The Animatrix)

    Mirage Studios has maintained the official TMNT site through all the turtles ups and downs - it's pretty cool with lots of info on the comics, TV shows, toys and movies<<<

    I dont know about cool... www.ninjaturtles.com is far from keeping things in line with the coolness. If ya go to the site, the actual news stuff hasnt been updated for 5 years, and it has a very archie comics keeping in line with the 80's Fox kids cartoon feel. Theres nothing edgy or keeping in line with the original comics feel. Heck, even the daily strip is right out of the Archie version visual wise. I cant find any news on the John woo cgi or new tv show or licencing. I find that out on www.cinescape.com , the only TMNT source online that's reliable.


    I really hope theres a surprise decision and they release the TMNT cgi film at least to dvd if not theatres, as that was on my top 5 films ot look forward to in 2003.
    Either way, 2003...look for the return of the Muppets and TMNT!


Share This Page

Visit the Sesame Street Store Today!