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Nintendo makes the Switch!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mr3urious, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Pun totally intended here. :)



    http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/first-look-at-nintendos-new-home-gaming-system

    This is Nintendo's newest system called the Switch (formerly known by its codename the NX), a console/handheld hybrid that seems like a bizarre cross between their last two consoles and their current handheld, the 3DS. It will be expected to come out March of next year.

    I am cautiously optimistic that this would be far more successful than the Wii U, as it at least has a better, less confusing name. With the company's mobile push, I'm hoping enough casuals would be swayed into Switch-ing over. And that new Mario game shown in the trailer looks awesome, seemingly going between linear and open-ended levels in a way not seen since Super Mario Sunshine.
     
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  2. C to the J

    C to the J Active Member

    A home console and a handheld console in one! And the controller arrangement is very remarkable. Gotta love that snap/click sound that's heard whenever the logo is shown. What's more, a lot of third-party developers are supporting it.
     
  3. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Of course, they could always jump ship whenever the system doesn't sell like they hoped. :rolleyes:
     
  4. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Looks like all the game footage in the trailer was added in post, and the Switch used was a non-functioning device. It was only meant to show off the system, not the games, which is a bit disappointing but understandable.

    http://nintendoeverything.com/switc...t-assume-the-video-shows-actual-game-footage/

    I had a feeling this was the case all along. Bethesda said that they have no plans to bring Skyrim to the Switch at the moment. There's also that scene that showed Breath of the Wild with a choppy frame rate, which I had a strong feeling was from the Wii U version.
     
  5. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Truthfully, I've lost all interest in console gaming now that I have a gaming computer.

    I mean I haven't touched my wii or ps3 in months. That said, the Switch seems...interesting? I guess? But the whole games on cartridges thing...I realize there's SD cards that can cram a lot of information, but I can't see how it could hold a large, AAA game on it and have it run well on a tv.

    I feel like nintendo is trying too hard to be innovative anymore, which really restricts developers. Wasn't that the problem with the Wii U? The way it was set up made it hard for people to make games for it?

    Idk, I'm so out of the loop with consoles anymore.
     
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Personally, I'm out of the video game loop completely, and I know someone's gonna give me something for being a retro-gaming fan over all the newest innovations and games. I never really cared much for 3-D platforming games and I really just can't into FPS and stuff like that. The last thing remotely related to a current video game I bought was a Lego Dimensions Benny the Spaceman because it was at Five Below and I really like The Lego Movie. And I have some Skylanders I got dirt cheap too, but not even any really current ones.

    But I agree that's Nintendo's big problem, trying to be innovative when most gamers just want the stuff they usually want. It's a shame, too. I like how everyone apparently hated the Wii U Wario Ware game for some reason. I mean, sure, I played the Demo and there felt like there was too much to do at once, but I didn't dislike the thing. And I also see that it's a real restriction on developers who just want more powerful hardware rather than something overly unique.

    Still... ugh... I hate the concept of them reverting to cartridges. That was their problem as early as the NES, and they failed to be innovative and move onto disks (cheaper for everyone involved) with the N64. I mean, at this point even the concept of physical games is becoming obsolete.

    I dunno. I still think Nintendo would do itself good to license out characters for outside media. It's not the 1980's, we can make good Mario and Zelda cartoons. It's telling that the biggest hit Nintendo has had in recent years was an app based Pokemon game they just licensed out.
     
  7. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    As someone who used to have at least one console of every generation, I'm just...really really tired of the big three trying to be all innovative with their consoles. I just wanna buy my game and play it, and at this point, it seems like the only thing you can do that on is computers.

    Even consoles make it difficult just to play games anymore with firmware updates, patches, mandatory installations even if you have the disk. Apparently it can take up to a DAY for some games to install on a PS4 because sony restricted how much data the thing can process.

    Sure you got a whole set of different pc related problems (such as the game not running on your pc at all despite it being powerful enough), but overall, you just download the game you want, maybe wait a few minutes for it to install some additional software to run, and there you go. Most games auto configure to fit your computer's settings.

    Nintendo's problem is that they wanna appeal to both casual and 'hardcore' gamers and just have no idea on how to do that. What they really end up doing is alienating BOTH groups. Casual people don't understand how the tech works (those people didn't even understand the wii u was a new console, they thought it was some kind of addon) and the hardcore gamers dont care about gimmicks, and don't have any interest in the games that are available because major developers wont develop for the console.

    Sure, you're always gonna have that group of people who buy anything with Nintendo's name on it, but just how many mario games can you play before you get tired of it?

    tl;dr, I just wanna play my game. I don't care about fancy gimmicks and new technology. Stop making it difficult for people to just play the darn game.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    At this point, the only real reason to own a Nintendo system is to play games with Nintendo characters. And that's perfectly fine by me. I'm glad Jaxx Pacific actually has a Nintendo toy line as spotty as the distribution is. Nintendo's viable as a brand outside making actual video games as far as I'm concerned. Not saying they should put trust in a movie just yet where they aren't cameos, but they really should consider more outside markets as a backup if the video game industry gets shaky enough that they'd stand to be the next Sega, making games for the competition.

    Their only cartoon series in production is Pokemon, and that's only because young kids' anime lasts forever, and Pokemon has the same longevity as Doraemon and Anpanman at this point. I've always felt cheated that the only Mario anime are a movie from 1986, a pointless, any character could be in it series of Fairy Tale retellings, some fire safety PSA, and like...some weird thing for a Japanese video game system that's a play phone. And I feel even more cheated that, yeah...Legend of Zelda manga was republished by Viz, but Super Mario-kun is somehow out of the question. So they're basically just as stick up their butts about licensing them out to movies and cartoons in their native country as they are in the US. I know it's weird to keep steering the conversation about their consoles to this all the time, but I really think that they could connect more with outside media, and it's also a nice fall back if things ever go south for them.

    As for the "how many Mario Games" thing... I'd say at least they try with their games to make them slightly more unique every time. I still get baffled why Mega Man 9 was treated like it was the greatest thing in history, but when Mega Man 10 came out, it landed with a franchise killing thud for being the same as the other 11 games before it. Yet if they made a MM game that was completely different from those, they'd get crap for it as well. I don't see why repetition in some games are tolerated yet blasted on others. Video game sequels always had that problem since the beginning. Either they get crap for being the same or crap for being too different. It's a shame that innovation gets you just as crapped on as consistency in some cases.
     
  9. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    For better or worse, the Wii was a big hit for Nintendo, and lightning failed to strike twice for the successor. I feel like they're doing it right for the Switch's marketing by putting no emphasis on motion controls or touch screens that it may or may not have. Just the fact that you can take this console with you on the go and maybe play some instant multiplayer with a complete stranger.

    Cart-based technology has gotten a lot better since then, with flash memory getting cheaper than ever before. Plus, Sony tried using discs in one of its handhelds, and that was a problem, what with the long load times and all.

    Doesn't seem like they're aiming at casuals this time. Note how the trailer only features young adults rather than families or seniors, and how the games don't seem to be of the "casual" type. No Wii Sports or party games here.
     
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Hopefully the advances in technology helped with the cost. One of the biggest problems with game developers in the NES era was that it was a financial drain for the developers to have to send things to Nintendo's factories to encase their games in expensive plastics. Among other things Nintendo had to regulate because of how screwed up video game development was before the crash.

    On the other hand, if costs of cartridge production hinders lesser game developers that are inclined to shovelware, that's a massive plus in my book. I mean, did we really need a Cold Stone Creamery video game?
     
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  11. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    On the plus side, the Super Mario Adventures comic Nintendo Power used to run is getting a re-print by Viz. :)

    http://www.siliconera.com/2016/08/0...r-mario-adventures-comic-reprinted-viz-media/
     
  12. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I was more talking about nintendo as a whole, not really specifically this system. But the problem is, they've already alienated hardcore gamers enough as it is. They probably aren't going to be winning any of them back unless the system actually delivers those big, hard hitting titles that everyone is excited for on the ps4/xbone, instead of just nintendo properties.

    The problem about games is that it takes different programming to get them running on specific systems. It's not just a matter of copy and pasting the whole game onto a ps4 disk from an xbox disk. If a system is too hard to port to, developers just aren't going to bother. Sometimes I wonder if nintendo fails to realize this.

    People aren't going to be interested in your system if you don't have worthwhile games. Like I said, some people will buy it purely for the mario franchises. That's fine. More power to them. But as a whole...the only thing that nintendo, sony, and microsoft alike are doing is pushing more and more gamers to pc, especially when the console itself costs just as much as a medium range gaming pc.
     
  13. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And I'm glad they're doing that, especially since I've missed out on the last time they reprinted them all the way back in the 90's (though i swear there was another reprint last decade). Though I really wish that they'd let someone reprint the Valliant published Mario comics series. I had a hardbound "Best Of" back in the day, but 1990's book binding got the best of it. I'd love to replace that without having to sell an organ. Plus, if didn't even have all the Mario comic stories published.

    I get what SGTFloyd is saying. Nintendo isn't gearing towards the hardcore gamers, leaving everything for PC's. And whatever they can do for gaming, that's one thing, but if they can have their merchandise to fall back on if anything goes south, that's a good thing for them. They just need to be open to licensing things out more.
     
  15. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Now there are rumors and reports going around saying that the Switch is underpowered compared to the competition, like as how it's reported to use only half the RAM and a fraction of the teraFLOPS as the Xbox One and PS4. But this guy has some very interesting arguments as to how it might be the case at first glance, but could possibly perform around the same level going a bit deeper.



    And then there's the whole RAM issue, which may explain why Nintendo going back to cartridges may not make it such a huge problem after all. At least the developer behind those awesome Star Wars games for the N64 thought so. Those carts made it possible to store data for huge levels that the system itself couldn't hold, which couldn't be done on discs.



    It's the memory on the carts themselves that worries me a bit, and AAA 3rd-party games use a ton of it. Reportedly the standard size will be 16 GB, a little less than a 25 GB single-layer Blu-ray disc and way less than a 50 GB double layer, but hopefully the way it's worded means that larger sizes will be available to fit different dev's needs.

    http://wiiudaily.com/2016/10/report-nintendo-switch-game-cards-are-16-gb/
     
  16. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Now we're getting loads of rumors, the biggest of which is that Breath of the Wild, the new Zelda game planned for simultaneous launch on the Switch and Wii U, might not be ready until the summer of next year due to the size and scope of the game requiring extensive time to localize the text and fix bugs. It's already been delayed several times already, so hearing this is pretty troubling indeed. But if it means avoiding a Skyrim issue, then it's understandable. :concern:

    http://nintendotoday.com/report-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-not-launching-with-switch-in-march/

    On the plus side, that new Mario title shown in the trailer is rumored to be ready at the Switch's launch, and really looks like the big open-ended platform game in the vein of Super Mario 64 that fans have been waiting for for a long time. There will also be upgraded ports of Splatoon, Smash Bros., and Mario Kart with all the DLC included plus more, and many more 1st party titles within the 1st year.

    http://gonintendo.com/stories/268612-rumors-zelda-botw-status-mario-switch-at-launch-plus-details
    http://gonintendo.com/stories/268651-rumor-switch-s-first-year-will-be-full-of-first-party-blockbust

    The Switch is also said to cost around $250 for the base unit, making it far cheaper than the Wii U and the same price as the original Wii. However, there's supposed to be an "upgraded model" costing around $300. Maybe this could mean it simply comes with Splatoon and a Pro Controller?

    http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-switch-price-rumor/

    Either way, this is shaping up to be an exciting year for Nintendo. January can't get here soon enough! :)
     
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Really? I've seen a video online that said that Nintendo tends to be the least innovative/powerful with it's systems (Super Nintendo being one of the main exceptions).


    And I;ve seen this video that states that gamers tend to complain about games not being innovative enough, yet games that are really innovative tend to not sell as well as games that follow what made other games successful.


    Of course at one point in that video, it points out that the highest-selling games in the main Mario series are the ones that are most like Super Mario Bros. while the most innovative main series games are the lowest-sellers, yet SMB, which tops the sales of the other games listed, was innovative at the time it was released.
     
  18. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    And now we have a far more far-fetched rumor: an RPG developed by Ubisoft that crosses Mario with the Raving Rabbids series that it set for a day-one launch.

    http://gonintendo.com/stories/268786-rumor-ubisoft-working-on-a-rabbids-super-mario-crossover-rpg

    Whether you love the Rabbids or not, we can all agree that something other than a minigame collection for these obnoxious creatures is a godsend. The only other time they were in something other than that was Rabbids Go Home for the Wii, which was a well-received platformer about collecting various objects to reach the moon.
     
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  19. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Active Member

    Yes. Yes. Yes. I am in love with this idea; I just hope it is as serious as the original Mario RPG. You never know; who'da thought we'd see Donald Duck in a mage's outfit in an unbelievably confusing Final Fantasy scenario?

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Here are some great videos from last night's Tonight Show. Jimmy Fallon's joy is contagious and so much fun.



     
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