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Positive And Negative: The Muppet Movie (Opinions on TMM)

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Powerstars, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Powerstars

    Powerstars Well-Known Member

    Hello, and welcome to Positive and Negative, the thread series where we talk about anything Muppet-related, and state our opinions. The first two of these threads were on things that were mediocre: Elmo In Grouchland and Kermit's Swamp Years. But what about this masterpiece? Does it hold up today? DUH!!! But, that doesn't mean it's flawless.

    -Film within a film thing
    -Plenty of great visual gags
    -Amazing music
    -Most of the Muppets have a good amount of screen time
    -Heartwarming ending
    -Great villians
    -Too many more to count

    -Not enough Bunsen/Beaker

    So, that was my opinion, what are your POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES?
  2. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    Again, you written all my answers, what can I say?
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    The only real "con", aside from many characters not having big parts (Link, Dr. Strangepork, Beauregard, etc), is Sweetums' introduction. It just comes off as odd. It seems his reason for being there is to just introduce another Muppet. They don't clearly introduce his name (Mad Man Mooney just calls him his "Jack", Sweetums says "Jack not name, Jack job" but back when I was younger I couldn't understand the whole line AND he doesn't properly introduce his whole name), it's hard to tell whether his turning a fly into a decimal point was intended or not (well, he did purpsoely kill the fly). And aside from lowering the price there's not really a reason for Kermit to invite him to go to Hollywood with them. The only time he's mentioned by name is right after he bursts through the screen and when Lew Zealand talks to him during the hard-to-understand end credits sequence, and in both instances the name mention isn't that clear (well, Lew calling him Sweetums is more clear in the UK version).

    And as a kid I didn't really like the Sweetums scenes. With him chasing the Muppets, running out of the tent and through the screen, and shouting so much (combined with the abuse he suffered at the beginning of The Great Muppet Caper) I actually thought he was a bad guy. In fact, for a long time I used to be able to get myself to watch those scenes without fast forwarding or muting the volume. I would fast forward the beginning of the 1993 VHS promo for the movie because it had Sweetums chasing the car. There was a TV commercial for the VHS rerelease, but I'd always leave the room when it was on just in case it had one of those scenes (I still don't know for sure... I know that particular TV ad showed Kermit inviting him to Hollywood). I wonder if I would have had this problem if he caught up with the Muppets by the time they made it to Hollywood, as opposed to crashing through the screen. But now I can watch those scenes without problem.

    It's interesting how Kermit invites each Muppet so soon after meeting them, seemingly without going to their homes to at least pack their bags (though Piggy and Sweetums already had their things packed). Fozzie invites Gonzo and Camilla to join them seemingly seconds after their cars collided, without really knowing him. I don't know if Gonzo was on his way to a job or back to his office, but he seemed eager to join them immediately. It almost sends the message that if you're on a road trip you shoudl invite as many strangers as possible.

    And does anybody feel that during "The Magic Store" sequence they should have had more Muppets working on the set, aside from Robin (who's hardly noticable there) and Crazy Harry? It seems like this movie-within-a-movie (within-a-movie?) has ALL of the cast being the entire crew as well (but who's to say all those Muppets who suddenly show up are not part of the crew?). I feel during this sequence they should have shown Gladys and The Swedish Chef doing the catering, Beauregard putting up the sets, some of the full-body monsters putting up the sets, Link reciting lines (it would have been a little funny and perhaps appropriate to have Link dressed as Doc Hopper, as if he was going to portray him), stuff like that.

    While I always liked it well I think this was my least-favorite Muppet movie when I was a kid (I think it was because of the Sweetums scenes, as I explained above), though now my equal favorites are this, The Great Muppet Caper and The Muppets (while I like The Muppets Take Manhattan less than I did as a kid).
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  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I've thought hard about what kinds of Cons I could include here....still thinking...lol
  5. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Hmm...I was going to do this, but then I realized that the Muppet Movie is absolutely perfect... ;)
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  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Do you plan on doing a "Positive and negative" on any of the specials?
  7. Powerstars

    Powerstars Well-Known Member

    Well, I could.
  8. Borples

    Borples Well-Known Member

    Cons: My six-year-old never ever wants to watch the movie because she's scared of giant Animal. This is not the movie's fault.

    Pros: Everything else!


    Actually, no, I do have one other con. I can't stand "Never Before, Never Again." I don't like the song, I don't like the fantasy sequence. I usually wander off when that part comes on. But I know there are people who love it, and it's kind of an iconic Piggy moment. It's a con for me; might be a pro for others.
  9. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    There's very few negative things I can say about TMM. It's a classic by all means. But if I had to say anything, it would probably be about the fact that some characters weren't in the movie (within the movie). Sure, they show up at the end, but how'd they meet Kermit? Maybe when the gang went to the Ghost Town, they could have picked up a few more Muppets living there (Sam the Eagle, Swedish Chef, Lew Zealand, Beaureguard, Crazy Harry, Link, Strangepork).
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    That's the MOST Bunsen and Beaker in the whole original trilogy.

    They never had any good movie roles, did they?
  11. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    Really, what major roles could they play?
  12. Hayley B

    Hayley B Well-Known Member

    I enjoy TMM. More times I came to watched it, I liked it. Only the first time I just got a little disappointed that they didn't fully sing Rainbow Connection when altogether. But now, it's alright.
  13. Yuna Leonhart

    Yuna Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I love The Muppet Movie. It's a beautiful timeless piece of magic and I enjoy every minute of it. But if anybody would ask me, I couldn't think of any con. Maybe if I think hard and long enough (that is, for a year or longer). Perhaps Kermit meeting more Muppets on his way to Hollywood...?
  14. TheWeirdoGirl

    TheWeirdoGirl Well-Known Member

    The only con I can think of is the song Never Before, Never Again. With all respect to Frank Oz, I can't stand Piggy's singing voice. :p
  15. Yuna Leonhart

    Yuna Leonhart Well-Known Member

    The German singing voice was worse, take my word for it.
  16. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Well, if Bunsen had a better agent, maybe he could have played Lew Lord...

    ...and Beaker coulda played Charlie McCarthy...
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  17. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Pros-Everything everything everything.
    Cons-One thing too short.
  18. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    In my opinion their best movie role is in Muppet Treaure Island, and that's supproting and not even of the originals!
  19. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    CONS: I think they picked up the Muppets too fast. I sorta thought they were picking up people... For... No reason...

    Like... Why?

    Fozzie, I understand.

    Gonzo just got in the car and was offered hollywood.

    Piggy pushed her way in.


  20. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I don't have anything negative to say about The Muppet Movie. It's one of the earliest films I saw as a child, it's the first Muppet film I saw, and I've loved it ever since. The Never Before sequence I think is a little slow and while Frank's/Piggy's singing is rough, I think it's meant to be part of the gag at how bad it is. But I'm willing to overlook that small little lull in the film in an otherwise perfect movie.

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